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DECEMBER 12, 2005 @ 05:41 PM


I recently finished watching Rome on HBO, which was amazing. Rome is the kind of program that shows television's potential as a medium for art and great theater, rather than a device for injecting pollution into your brain. (Though, most of it really is pollution.)

The last episode left me with a burning question, though. (And I'm going to freely post "spoilers" since Roman history isn't much of a secret. If you don't at least vaguely remember from history or from reading Shakespeare in grade school that Brutus stabs Caesar, then you're probably only watching Rome for the sex.)

One of Caesar's acts as a tyrant was his addition of Gauls and Celts and various Roman commoners as new senators, and the program portrays this as a reason why we should sympathize with the conspiracy. Obviously he did this to weaken the individual power of the existing senators and also as an insult to them. But in a modern context, can we actually despise him for this? Look at this way - the straw that broke the camel's back was Caesar bringing in representatives from the faraway lands that Rome conquered, rather than treating them as voiceless vassal states. And for this, the noble senators (who, again, we are meant to sympathize with) resented Caesar. Caesar was, to be sure, a power hungry bastard, but so were the existing Roman senators. They wanted their own wealth and influence to rule the empire, with no input from anyone else.

So now that I've typed all this out, I don't think I have a burning question after all, though I do find it interesting how the conspiracy is portrayed. There really are no "good guys" or "bad guys" - just two sides jockeying for power. After he dies, I almost find myself feeling sympathy for Caesar and his scheming family, as his system, while insulting to the nobility, ultimately seems more fair to the conquered lands and to the lower classes of Rome. I might change my mind again, though. Either way, I hope they hurry up with that second season.
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bcm

bcm

San Francisco, CA
March 2003

DEC 12, 2005 05:48 PM

i wasn't sympathetic to the senators at all. they seemed like a bunch of whiny asses to me. caesar was tough but fair, and he was one of the show's heroes.

i have to say, i have never been angrier at tv than after the finale of rome. far and away my favorite show ever.

leftjab

leftjab

Berkeley, CA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 13, 2005 06:52 PM

i didn't think we were meant to sympathize with the senators, who were mostly portrayed as cowardly, scheming, & elitist. their version of democracy was for elites alone. Caesar was a force for change, and they killed him for it, under the easy explanation that he was a tyrant. while we saw some of the absolutism of Caesar in the show, mostly he was portrayed as generous to his enemies (too generous at the end as it turned out) and fairly wise in his governance. but yes, it was mostly about two sides jockeying for power, without one side being "good" and the other "bad" -- much like real life, and not like most dramatic depictions of real life.

I forget much of the specifics of Augustus Caesar's (Octavian's) reign, but it followed in the spirit of his great uncle Julius, and was one of the most prosperous times in Roman history. Rome the show is supposed to delve into class issues more in future years, and it has dealt with the lives of slaves more than other portrayals of the era.

Rome's ratings weren't as good as expected in the US, but it's the rage in the UK from what I hear, so with BBC as co-producers we should expect a 2nd season. it won't be aired until spring 2007 at the earliest, as it's not even in production yet.

in the meanwhile, new seasons of the Sopranos and Deadwood will tide me over, with Deadwood my favorite show ever. Rome came very close though.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

DEC 15, 2005 10:22 PM

Yes, but where does G. Gordon Liddy fit into all this?

caradura

caradura

Springfield, MA
January 2006

JAN 30, 2006 10:41 AM

I agree with your opinion of ROME and I do feel sympathy for Ceasar. He crushed, he conquered, he "veni, vidi, vici" but not only on his personal reputation, honor or wealth but for the greater good of the Republic as well. As you probably noticed, all the romans including Cesar were deeply religious. They belived on a greater good beyond themselves.

He, as any other leader in history, was an ambitious SOB but, is there a way to become an EFFECTIVE leader without ambition? Is not ambition the fuel that make our world run even nowadays?

The importance of ROME (Both the series and the History) is that it fairly represent our present role in the world (as the only superpower) and our future.

Eventualy, any leader will be judged by his actions. Our nation, as a representative of the new Republic, is being judged by the world at this moment in a similar fashion as Rome was judged; as a conqueror.

There is no easy alternatives. History has showed that pacific co-existence is not possible, at least not for long; either you rule or are ruled over.

As rulers we intent to be as compasionate and humane as possible but there is always a limit, imposed not by our desires of fairness or justice but by history itself, that had repeatedly proven over and over again, that's not possible to run an empire with our feelings.

[Edited on Jan 30, 2006 1:45PM]

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