It's the implication. And as stated it seems like a sure backfire.
It's about DIPLOMACY.
And no matter what you answer they think you want to join them.WTF
Never said it was anything but rovean in nature. The hostility is just my natural disdain for these ass-hat wearing imbeciles.
This is just like the SC calls of 2000 repub primary. The one's were the caller asked" what if John McCain had a black child out of wedlock". Now that is paraphrasing the call, but that was the jest of it. roves idea, inside source.
felony187 said:
This is just like the SC calls of 2000 repub primary. The one's were the caller asked" what if John McCain had a black child out of wedlock"
I would say that this is quite different. Obama said that he would be willing to meet with Ahmadinejad (as well as Chavez, Kim Jong-il, etc) without preconditions. While that Rove push poll from 2000 had no basis in fact whatsoever.
felony187 said:
This is just like the SC calls of 2000 repub primary. The one's were the caller asked" what if John McCain had a black child out of wedlock"
I would say that this is quite different. Obama said that he would be willing to meet with Ahmadinejad (as well as Chavez, Kim Jong-il, etc) without preconditions. While that Rove push poll from 2000 had no basis in fact whatsoever.
Form of a question?
And no wonder twin powers comments!
Did anyone see the CNN spot about Clinton supporters creating anti-Obama websites in droves? I wish I had the link, but apparently there's a mother-ship website that links to the hundreds of other anti-Obama sites all created by die-hard Clinton loyalists. Yeah, vote for McCain you morons.
Tiwaz said:
Did anyone see the CNN spot about Clinton supporters creating anti-Obama websites in droves? I wish I had the link, but apparently there's a mother-ship website that links to the hundreds of other anti-Obama sites all created by die-hard Clinton loyalists. Yeah, vote for McCain you morons.
I'll check it out, sounds plausible for the diehard motards.
felony187 said:
This is just like the SC calls of 2000 repub primary. The one's were the caller asked" what if John McCain had a black child out of wedlock"
I would say that this is quite different. Obama said that he would be willing to meet with Ahmadinejad (as well as Chavez, Kim Jong-il, etc) without preconditions. While that Rove push poll from 2000 had no basis in fact whatsoever.
Tiwaz said:
Did anyone see the CNN spot about Clinton supporters creating anti-Obama websites in droves? I wish I had the link, but apparently there's a mother-ship website that links to the hundreds of other anti-Obama sites all created by die-hard Clinton loyalists. Yeah, vote for McCain you morons.
I saw the list, did a few whois checks, and found that a whole bunch of them (not all, but enough to be significant) are hosted at the same place.
In March, Obama stood to lose 29% of Clinton's supporters to McCain. That number is down to between 11% and 20%, depending on whether you buy the latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll or the latest MSNBC poll, respectively. Realistically, it's probably in the neighborhood of 17 or 18%, which isn't that much higher than the typical party-wide defection rate for any Presidential candidate.
In other words, either those sites were a flat out sham, or they were a fluke and only representative of the farthest-out fringe of Clinton supporters. Either way, meh.
bean said:
...typical party-wide defection rate for any Presidential candidate...
Is this statement based on impression or research? I'm not contesting it. I'm just curious. I've never even really thought about it that much. This is the first primary in recent memory where it's really been a big deal. Anyway, I appreciate your insight. The whole defection rate thing has really worried me, and if it is in fact lower than typical that's very welcomed.
I am confused why this "ad" is bad since it deals with really policy about how our foreign policy/diplomacy will be in the future (i.e. do we have unconditioned meetings or do we keep the tradition of having pre-conceived conditions before we meet with foreign leaders). I am also wondering why this needed its own thread and why do you think John McCain is a brainwashed to be a assassin for the Communist Party by being controlled by his mother...
abbazappa said:
I am confused why this "ad" is bad since it deals with really policy about how our foreign policy/diplomacy will be in the future (i.e. do we have unconditioned meetings or do we keep the tradition of having pre-conceived conditions before we meet with foreign leaders). I am also wondering why this needed its own thread and why do you think John McCain is a brainwashed to be a assassin for the Communist Party by being controlled by his mother...
your confusion should not exist, never said ad was bad. Only that it's rovean in nature and that it could backfire. If having read further you would of picked up on the, it's about DIPLOMACY comment. And I'll make it clear that I'm all for it,(diplomacy) it was implied, but obviously not understood.
the manchurian candidate cuz I no longer have a shred of respect for him. He is a bought and paid for ,no different from bush. Led by handlers. and is willing to sacrifice our troops my fellow Marines for what?
felony187 said:
This is just like the SC calls of 2000 repub primary. The one's were the caller asked" what if John McCain had a black child out of wedlock"
I would say that this is quite different. Obama said that he would be willing to meet with Ahmadinejad (as well as Chavez, Kim Jong-il, etc) without preconditions. While that Rove push poll from 2000 had no basis in fact whatsoever.
Form of a question?
?
Alex ,I'll take anal bum cover for a hundred.
Both items I mentioned are in the form of a question, thus the similarities.
One is a substantive issue(diplomacy), the other just plain disgusting and unfounded, sadly it worked.
Mucho props to your Jeopardy pic.
bean said:
...typical party-wide defection rate for any Presidential candidate...
Is this statement based on impression or research? I'm not contesting it. I'm just curious. I've never even really thought about it that much. This is the first primary in recent memory where it's really been a big deal. Anyway, I appreciate your insight. The whole defection rate thing has really worried me, and if it is in fact lower than typical that's very welcomed.
Historical stats. I don't have the site in front of me at the moment, and I read a lot of stats so it's hard to hunt down where I read historical defection rates, but here's one article with some data:
Obama would be thrilled, of course, if he could actually get his defection rate down to 8 percent: John Kerry lost 11 percent of Democrats to George W. Bush; Al Gore lost 11 percent to Bush and 2 to Nader; Bill Clinton lost 10 percent to Bob Dole and 5 percent to Ross Perot. In reality, Obama will probably lose almost all of the "very unfavorables" and perhaps half of the "somewhat unfavorables", which would produce a defection rate of 12-13 percent (not all of those necessarily to McCain). McCain's defection rate, by that calculus, would be 9-10 percent (not all of those necessarily to Obama).
felony187
Denver, CO
June 2007
JUN 27, 2008 08:25 PM