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So green day are the "godfathers of punk rock" now

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RubberSoul

Los Angeles, CA

February 2003

DEC 14, 2004 11:37 AM

Point_Blank said:

souljacker said:

Point_Blank said:
Still, if the social content of punk rock is, in part, a big fucking NO to the shimmery tungsten cage of boredom that appears around us viz corporate transmutation of every border of daily life into some kind of slick product we are free to buy or not to buy, that is the (only) question, then Green Day can't really qualify, now can they? 'Cause try as I may, I just can't find that NO anywhere in what they do, in any serious way. Them things they say are now just part of the stylistic performance of the genre, and tough they seem not to be the astounding creeps one might find in Good Charlotte, they nonetheless share with that band an incapacity to engage at once the two elements that must be present and in drama with each other in a vital genre. Green Day, I am saying: not punk rock, just formalists.

But they're kind of good. I am not saying Green Day sucks. I like them. I like that song "Warning" a lot. Historically apt punk formalism can be a blast, and historically apt disco formalist is good for dancing, and so on. This is not about what band does and doesn't suck. Nor is about calling out poseurs. (By the way, in the case of music, "poseur" is a contraction of "all sonic formalism, no social content.")

It's about genre.

--Sasha Frere Jones here.

Dude, you sound really smart. Do you write term papers for a living?

Unfortunately, I sound very stupid. The quote above is from Sasha Frere-Jones.

Hey, way top burst my bubble. Next you'll tell me there's no Santa Claus.

moniker42

Seattle, WA

October 2003

DEC 14, 2004 11:49 AM

Hey, how many punks does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, punks can't change anything.

thunderbolts

Toronto, ON

February 2004

DEC 14, 2004 11:56 AM

this whole thread just makes me laugh. ....and cry inside a little.

Roby

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

DEC 14, 2004 12:16 PM

Aquaman said:
green day rocks.

agreed. I haven't seen that ad, and I REALLY doubt that they would put themselves out as the "Godfathers" of anything. Unless they were being ironical. In which case, I'd totally buy it.

Regardless, Green Day does, in fact, rock.

i liked green day when i was younger. i think everyone did.

"american idiot" pissed me off because it's that insolent attitude that is making everyone ignore what michael moore has to say now. it's the mentality that all the W haters who only believe hearsay share. it's ridiculous. go out there and get yourself educated in current events. then you can bitch intelligently instead of throwing around vague accusations about the suburbs and SUVs while you eat your big mac.

as for the punk thing? green day did not invent punk and are not entitled to it in any way. you can't just run around whining about america and say that's all it takes to be "punk". check out the dead kennedys for some REAL lyrics. even though they weren't techincally punk.

godfathers of pop punk on the other hand, would make more sense.
except that the descendents already did it.

RACER_X

Philadelphia, PA

February 2003

DEC 14, 2004 12:20 PM

Roby said:

godfathers of pop punk on the other hand, would make more sense.
except that the descendents already did it.

........And the Ramones long before them.

Roby

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

DEC 14, 2004 12:24 PM

Roby said:

godfathers of pop punk on the other hand, would make more sense.
except that the descendents already did it.

........And the Ramones long before them.

aye, except that there was no such thing as punk (as we know it) before the ramones and sex pistols, much less pop punk.

B57913

I'm lost

May 2004

DEC 14, 2004 12:27 PM

souljacker said:
Hey, way top burst my bubble. Next you'll tell me there's no Santa Claus.

AstralTraveller

United Kingdom

January 2003

DEC 14, 2004 12:41 PM

green day

Bobdylan5

San Diego, CA

November 2004

DEC 14, 2004 12:51 PM

I thought the Who were the godfathers of punk rock.

MrZablowdowski

Edmonton, AB

December 2002

DEC 14, 2004 12:52 PM

awww...

BlueLeopard

Champaign, IL

November 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:00 PM

They ARE the godfathers of "mall punk." That's all they get.

But to each their own, I mean let the kids have their fun. However, don't call me square when I was doing it so much harder at your age. Then again, the generation before me was doing it first and harder.

punk

Phoenix, AZ

January 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:03 PM

dingoes8 said:
Godfather is a lame term. That means they'll inherit all of Punk Rock once the Ramones all die?

Yes, in fact. It's quite a big deal. Mike Dirnt and Tre Cool are in fact rubbing their hands together at this very moment, sinisterly trying to decide out how Tommy can be "disappeared" without anyone finding out. I've heard that Tim Armstrong has been hired to work up a timebomb...

(Get it? Get it? I slay me.)

*snicker*

Cassiopeia

SUICIDEGIRL

Ohio, USA

DEC 14, 2004 01:04 PM

I love the old green day. The other day I saw a new GD video on FUSE... from their new album. I almost cried it was so terribly poppy. That is NOT what Green Day sounds like!

mat8drb

United Kingdom

October 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:07 PM

mydogfarted said:
They are the Godfathers of MTV Punk...

Spot on, in a sense. A lot of people my age (24/25) got into punk and sought out other stuff because of "Dookie". Godfathers on punk rock no; done a lot for the scene; yes.

noinfo

San Diego, CA

November 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:14 PM

huh? godfathers. I saw them back home before anyone outside of berkeley and the gilman heard of them. i think they were better then for obvious reasons, but godfathers of punk? pop/mtv/punk, well ok. i'm not trying discredit them for their accomplishments, but after 39/smooth, kerplunk and dookie i have'nt purchased any of their albums.

Hussein

I'm lost

March 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:28 PM

souljacker said:

Point_Blank said:

souljacker said:
Dude, you sound really smart. Do you write term papers for a living?

Unfortunately, I sound very stupid. The quote above is from Sasha Frere-Jones.

Hey, way top burst my bubble. Next you'll tell me there's no Santa Claus.

Well, almost.

It's from Frere-Jones's blog, but he didn't write it.

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:31 PM

in_a_blue_state said:

souljacker said:

Point_Blank said:

souljacker said:
Dude, you sound really smart. Do you write term papers for a living?

Unfortunately, I sound very stupid. The quote above is from Sasha Frere-Jones.

Hey, way top burst my bubble. Next you'll tell me there's no Santa Claus.

Well, almost.

It's from Frere-Jones's blog, but he didn't write it.

Shit, you're right...my bad. Guest editor....but I can't find the name? Do you know?

Hussein

I'm lost

March 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:45 PM

Point_Blank said:

in_a_blue_state said:

souljacker said:

Point_Blank said:

souljacker said:
Dude, you sound really smart. Do you write term papers for a living?

Unfortunately, I sound very stupid. The quote above is from Sasha Frere-Jones.

Hey, way top burst my bubble. Next you'll tell me there's no Santa Claus.

Well, almost.

It's from Frere-Jones's blog, but he didn't write it.

Shit, you're right...my bad. Guest editor....but I can't find the name? Do you know?

It's the person who does this blog. I think her name is Jessica Harper.

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:47 PM

in_a_blue_state said:

It's the person who does this blog. I think her name is Jessica Harper.

Yeah, thats it.

She's smart.

Grae

United Kingdom

December 2004

DEC 14, 2004 01:57 PM

Greenday are good, but they're not THAT good

in the eyes of punk there is no royalty, none that m atters anyways, remember the attitude the sex pistols had.

[Edited on Dec 14, 2004 by Grae]

hermetica

Cook Islands

January 2004

DEC 14, 2004 03:55 PM

BlueLeopard said:

But to each their own, I mean let the kids have their fun. However, don't call me square when I was doing it so much harder at your age. Then again, the generation before me was doing it first and harder.

Thank you!

Um.. I dont qualify as the generation before you do I?

Ahh shit.

hermetica

Cook Islands

January 2004

DEC 14, 2004 03:57 PM

Grae said:
Greenday are good, but they're not THAT good

in the eyes of punk there is no royalty, none that m atters anyways, remember the attitude the sex pistols had.

[Edited on Dec 14, 2004 by Grae]

Yeah..

Give us our fookin money so we can get sum fookin smack and wreck the fookin 'otel and ya dont like it, bitch at fookin' maclaren the pansy fooker 'e is..!!

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

DEC 14, 2004 04:45 PM

Roby said:
check out the dead kennedys for some REAL lyrics. even though they weren't techincally punk.

I'm not at all trying to be an ass here, but what makes you say they weren't punk? Just the style of the music or what?

dirtyground

Chicago, IL

August 2003

DEC 14, 2004 06:34 PM

godfather of punk would be...

Hasil Adkins. dudes been making music in him garage since the 40's. he's like 80 now but still plays.

jake_lex

Lexington, KY

February 2003

DEC 14, 2004 06:49 PM

The neverending desire on the part of some "punks" to define what punk is makes most punk just totally suck.

Green Day is a much better band than most "punk as fuck" bands. Dookie is a truly great album, they've done a series of great singles, and I really really like American Idiot.

Sorry if it's not punk, but that doesn't matter.

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