you know the day destroys the night. THE DOORS

honestly. i hate hippies. always will.

but fuck... the earthly orangy tones and feel of the DOORS music and Morrison's neo dada art skool rants are really sticking to my brain.

fuck.... i like a hippy band.

JIM MORRISON? a punk's take on his worth, this is what this topic is about

i've always been so torn on the doors. i just don't like jim morrison.. not as a person, hell, i didn't know him.. but as a personality. i know so much of his image was a sham.. or worse, an image placed on him by his followers.

he was an film school drop out that fancied himself a poet. but really he just got drunk and high and wrote shit down.. not necessarily poetry.

at the same time, he was pretty dark, REALLY liked to fuck shit up, and his band was top notch.

i can take the doors in small doses. you know.. listening to a rock station on a late night highway.. or at 3 in the morning when you should be in bed but instead your drinking something you really shouldn't.

but i will not debate the genius.. or dig into the deeper meanings. i don't necessarily come down on those who do.. but it's not my thing.

i don't think you have to be good to be a poet. most poets basically just "get drunk and write shit down" - from coleridge to bukowski, it's how it gets done.

i like the doors. sometimes it's sorta over-the-top, but it's a nice break from all the irony and sarcasm that you get with more-recent rock.

ps - some hippies are alright. some punks are alright too.

I think even more interesting than The Doors is the phemenon of the Jim Morrison Fan. Most people knew a Jim Morrison Fan in high school, a person who likes The Doors, sure, but is in love with Jim Morrison more than anything else. I knew a girl who very rarely even listened to The Doors, but I'd always see her reading books of Morrison's poetry. I'm not sure how she stood books and books of it, especially without the music, but...

Anyone here know Bruce McCulloch's "Doors"? It's probably the best treatise on Doors fans I've ever heard.

"And if you want to be a Doors fan, don't just go buy greatest hits album, either. Greatest hits albums are for housewives and little girls."

Yeah I was a Doors/Morrison fan all through my teenage years. I'm not sure what it is but I found Morrison fascinating.

I picked up "No One Here Gets Out Alive" in a bookstore at the age of 13 and I read 1/3 of the book standing there in the store. Then I got the book and read the rest of the book that night until 3am.
I think *anyone* who dies at young age can become an icon. That's a prerequisite even. Are there as many diehard Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney fans? No, because we've all seen their compromised shlock in the 20 or 30 years past their prime.

There definitely was a lot hype to pump up Morrison with the book No One Here Gets Out Alive. I saw another book that that guy wrote about Guns N Roses in the exact same kind of manner to create this hype and glamour.

Still though Morrison was very intelligent and some of his writings I found really insightful. His best stuff was poetry/spoken-word during concerts and also interviews where he could be thoughtful.
Some of his writing is self-indulgent crap too. They were a real hit-and-miss band too.

I would *not* consider Morrison or The Doors a "hippie" band. Neo-hippies type might listen to The Doors but at the time they were much more dark and disturbing.
The whole thing of trying incite a riot starts about that time which was Morrison's thing. He was into crowd psychology and seeing what would happen if he took ten hits of acid before a concert or whatever. In a way he had some influence on what would later become punk with people like Iggy Pop being influenced by his stage antics and idea of breaking down the barrier between audience and performer.

Anyway, I can't even listen to The Doors anymore, but they were definitely an influential group. And for quite a while I really dug the whole Morrison thing.

it's not the band it's the fans.

the first GOTH band. yes they have a true blood red velvet curtain kinda feel... i think it's the organ and the thick tones from JIMBO.

plus lyrics like "the minister's daughter is in love with a snake"

heh. kewl!

Bukowski is fucking a poetic genius.

I love the Doors.
Dia, your comment was really interesting...i guess i never really gave to much thought to the appeal of their *darker* side to people....but sometimes i never pay attention to lyrics or whatever...not sure what i think of Morrison in relation to the band and their image...actually, i just like to think about what Venice must have been like then....

fuck... the band is name after a huxley book. shit.