what the fuck is hardcore.

personally, i consider hardcore the kind of music where you can just rock the fuck out. from screaming to hard rocking guitar riffs.... i mean, i don't really know what bands are labeled hardcore. but if i can jam out to it, i call it hardcore

This question got asked a while ago, hopefully a geek can put up a link to the thread ( I can't sorry) , but if you know what punk is it's pretty much the same thing,
basicly you guys started hardcore we stearted punk

Hardcore is just an extension of punk music. Originally, I guess it was just a little tougher, less melodic. Now the term gets used to cover all those bands in between metal and melodic punk, or gets bastardized into terms like "metalcore."

Here's what Ian MacKaye said about hardcore in a Nardwuar interview:

"I don't know, actually. I've thought about that a lot. I remember, from our point of view, the reason we started using the term "hardcore," we were really trying to differentiate between what people were calling punk rock, which was this really Sid Vicious kind of New York or London, kind of posie kind of fashion. It was a fashion thing. That was punk rock. You were supposed to spit on yourself. All this kind of stuff. We thought, "That's a fashion thing." We're hardcore punk rock kids. Have you heard of the term "hard-shelled Baptist"? A hard-shelled Baptist is someone who's relationship with God is so intense they actually don't need to follow - they can smoke and drink and whore around, do anything they want - because that's how hard-shelled they are. So hardcore punk doesn't really need to do any of the stuff that people attribute to punk rock other than be dedicated to what they're doing. So that's why we started using that term. I don't know if DOA was the first band to use that. It was right at the same time."

Some hardcore bands:

DOA
Minor THreat
Black Flag
Circle Jerks
Dead Kennedys
Youth of Today
Government Issue
Cause for Alarm
Warzone
Fear
Agnostic Front
Cro-Mags

Harder, faster, stronger, louder, violent, nose bleed

well you learn something new every day , cheers dude
where did you get that quote from btw

http://www.nardwuar.com/

ok ok ok. I had to say SOMETHING. Hardcore started way back when. we can even say hardcore started with just ONE band. black flag. it was L.A. 1978 disco was dying out, glam rock was around, kids were fucking bored. out of hermosa beach came black flag a new sound unlike no other. People were used to the mild sounds of the clash and the pistols and the ramones ,but no one had ever heard anything this angry, violent, to the point ever before. hardcore evolved worldwide throughout the eighties, and then into the 90's where technically most "hardcore" and everyone who was involved had dropped out because of familes,prison,death from drugs or alcohol, or whatever. then the "new hardcore " scene reared its ugly head, with band like throwdown and earth crisis, which have really tainted hardcores name in my opinion. to me those bands are nothing more metal bands.
Despite the old scene being almost obliterated there is a new generation of kids still making hardcore, and its back to its underground roots again. THe mid 90's saw a big "thrash revival" with a lot of new bands with that old school hardcore feel to them. and you could say the thrash revival is still going on currently..............................................................

the hardcore not hardcore or punk not punk arguement is a bummer to me.

i think it's when you can see peen or vag. but i might be wrong cause i don't know much.

Hardcore is a collection of varuious styles of aggressive post punk music.
Depending on who you ask, hardcore is either an American extension of Eurometal, or an Americanization of Oi!, or just slightly more agressive punk. I happen to think it falls in between the Oi!/Punk descriptions, but I've met people into the whiney art metalcore crowd who claim otherwise. Really, I think it depends on the scene.
The New York Hardcore scene (Agnostic Front, Cromags, Gorilla Biscuits, Civ, Madball, Murphy's Law, Sick Of It All, Cause For Alarm, Warzone) was started by skinheads, and is a combination of Oi! and aggro punk with some metal thrown in later on.
The old school California hardcore scene (Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Necros, Bad Religion, Agent Orange), along with the DC scene (Minor Threat, Bad Brains) is essentially just more agressive punk, though DC had some skinhead influence too in the form of Iron Cross.

As if you didn't know.. CIDER IS HARDCORE..

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my hardcore group on SG

East Coast Hardcore Website - Great hardcore site for the east coast. list TONS of bands and links.

the biggest band in my opinion that you will hear right now that is a good New York Hardcore sound is Hatebreed.

i can list a bunch of good bands but most of them are NY/ east coast bands, but then again, some of them are starting to tour all over.

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the only time i got knocked out during a show. voodoo lounge in queens. i work up to being pulled out on my back by my shirt. didnt know what the fuck hit me. turned out it was a huge samoen (sp?) guy that kicked me in my liver area.

necros were from ohio dude.

hard-core also hard·core (härdkôr, -kr)
adj.
1. Intensely loyal; die-hard: a hard-core secessionist; a hard-core golfer.
2. Stubbornly resistant to improvement or change: hard-core poverty.
3. Extremely graphic or explicit: hard-core pornography.


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don't forget Sick Of It All.....

I'm in the same boat as you Thistle. My little brother is always talking about harcore, metalcore, grindcore, and I am utterly clueless as to what any of that actually means. My husband always teases him and tells him how "lamecore" he is.

the actual ROOT of hardcore was Minor Threat, they were basicly punk-rock but did not want to be called punk-rock due to it's relation to drugs and hatred (whether percieved or real). and mainly bands NOT as heavy as punk (Agent Orange) and a bit more positive used the term. soon after, with some punk turning a bit to the metal sound., (but not SO metal as to be called "Thrash", like formerly punk D.R.I. who basicly coined the term) but not wanting to be called "metal" (Cro-Mags and such), and Metal turned punk and not wanting to be called punk all started playing under the "Hardcore" banner as well.

SG Alisa has a great book i only read part of that is all about this topic, i cant remember tie name but it is something like "Hardcore Origins" i think, it explains where the term came from and the diferent meenings it has in extreme detail. i will find out the name for sure and post it here.

new hardcore is so encompassing it is hard to keep track. i actually feel they should give it a new name. a Columbus OH based band called the New Bomb Turks are widely called "the last punk band". i feel the same way about hardcore, i would say that there really is nothing after like 98 or so that is Hardcore, maybd Pennywise due to them still having that punkish sound. every thing else is almost too heavy, it needs its own identity. thats just my opinion tho. no need to argue it, i wont listen, lol.


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Nowadays hardcore has merged with metal and it is very hard to differentiate between the two. As shown by the fact that Hatebreed plays Ozzfest. But I think you can still show a difference in the attitude and style, even when a hardcore band is heavily influenced by metal.
Converge is the best hardcore band hands-down.