Creepiness of creepinesses, with an uncomfortable proximity to Virginia Tech, the release of Charles Manson's album "The summer of Hate the 67 Sessions" must have Sharon Tate turning in her grave. The recordings include some of Manson's spoken word, and have been released by the so-called "Lupo Records," about which I couldn't find anything other than, well, this.
They're calling this the first time that these recordings, which were made on September 11, 1967, and were used as demos in a failed attempt to try to secure a recording deal, have been released to the public, although I did find what appears to be the same (or maybe partial) recording available here.
The demos were recorded after Manson was released from prison where he had spent a 10-year suspended sentence for passing stolen checks. It was in the prison where a cell mate, the notorious 1930s bank robber Alvin Karpis, taught Manson to read music and to play the guitar. Manson is currently incarcerated in California's Corcoran State Prison. Several recordings of his works are commercially available, most of which were recorded in prison. But since he is a convicted felon, Manson receives no profit from the sale of these recordings. All royalties are paid into a victims'-rights fund.
Actually, few states forbid criminals and others from making a buck off violent crime (California skirts this with notoriety for profit laws), although coincidentally New Hampshire Representative John DeJoie has introduced legislation that would "require any money made off a violent crime to be turned over to the courts."
Criminals had been barred from making money off their exploits until 1991, when the United States Supreme Court overturned a New York law after finding that it was so broad it would discourage people from telling stories of public interest, such as the Watergate scandal. Critics also argued that the law violated the constitutional right to free speech by forbidding criminals from selling their stories.
DeJoie said he introduced his bill early this year at the request of an attorney from his district who was concerned with what was being sold online. Smart is New Hampshire's most notorious commodity on these sites, but she doesn't generate the kinds of bids that other, better-known convicts can. Charles Manson's signature is selling for $325 on one site; hers can be had for $20, but as of yesterday, no one had bid. The shoes of a school shooter, meanwhile, are available for a minimum bid of $200.
What is the desire for an oil painting or handwritten poem by a serial killer? What happened to collecting Barbies and Hot Wheels? Even taxidermy would be better.
I have a personal connection to the Manson murders as my mother was best friends with Sharon Tate in junior high school and took dance lessons together. So for me, Manson holds a lot of interest. People can collect whatever the hell they want.
So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?
Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!
Yeah, I remember when I worked at Lou's,
Eric was playing it and it was quite and good,
and I was surprised as I'd never heard of
Manson the folk singer.
I remember it being quite good, and
hearing about the ESP release.
PeteyMac said:
So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?
Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!
Could you go ahead and find for me the song Charles Manson recorded in 1967 about the Tate-LaBianca murders?
Maybe you wouldn't know if you weren't a music geek, but those demos have been circulating forevers. I played some of that stuff on my radio show like 7 years ago.
Who's bumping their Gary Glitter albums proudly? I know I am. He was fucking brilliant. And Mein Kempf was just amazing! I love to sing the praises of that piece of work. I mean, Hitler in his pre-mass-murderer days was something to be applauded. I could care less about that whole "Holocaust" thing, That dude had style. You're stupid if you can't see past the whole "murderer" thing. It's called being open-minded to other lifestyles. Get with the program, you philstines!!!
Anybody who would applauds the release of this shit (and/or money made off of it) has got some serious issues.
imclever said:
The murders were 2 years after the recordings. They are not making money off of the CRIME, they are making money off of the notoriety.
A subtle but important difference.
If making money off of the notoriety is wrong, toss out all the books, movies and THC shows about WWII and the Holocaust.
Toss out every "true-crime" book ever written.
Toss out COPS and Court TV.
Toss out every crime related fictional drama on TV and in film and literature.
Where do YOU want to draw the line?
agreed. and what about those beach boys and the song they recorded? or axl and guns? or anyone else who's ever written a song or book, etc about anything similar. what about marilyn manson, for that matter?
and it is good stuff, albeit creepily so.
like Gacy's clown paintings: creepy as fuck, but actually very good.
I didn't actually, but maybe YOU missed this part:
Criminals had been barred from making money off their exploits until 1991, when the United States Supreme Court overturned a New York law after finding that it was so broad it would discourage people from telling stories of public interest, such as the Watergate scandal. Critics also argued that the law violated the constitutional right to free speech by forbidding criminals from selling their stories.
The heart of the article talks on this very subject, which I commented on the first time!
PeteyMac said:
I didn't actually, but maybe YOU missed this part:
The heart of the article talks on this very subject, which I commented on the first time!
I've gone through the article several times and took notice of that. However, I don't see how it is completely relevant to your comments.
The issue is profiting off of a crime, correct? these recording predate the crime by two years. It is not him publishing a book about how the murders actually happened step by step, the true crime authors have done enough of that already. They profited and so did the publishers. Are they looked down on?
These recordings are noteworthy because of who Manson is. Yes, he is infamous for a heinous crime. But these recordings are NOT part of that crime. So why does it matter if they are published? Especially since the profits are NOT going to Manson or his family as you specifically stated before, but to a victims rights group.
PeteyMac said:
So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?
Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!
So you're saying that you're mother was tortured and killed by a rockstar? If not, shut the fuck up about your walking the first mile nonsense.
Horrific as it may be, it's necessary to allow this sort of thing in order to maintain freedom of speech.
Rahodeb
Los Angeles, CA
March 2006
MAY 09, 2007 04:52 PM