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Rahodeb

Rahodeb

Los Angeles, CA
March 2006

MAY 09, 2007 04:52 PM



Creepiness of creepinesses, with an uncomfortable proximity to Virginia Tech, the release of Charles Manson's album "The summer of Hate – the ’67 Sessions" must have Sharon Tate turning in her grave. The recordings include some of Manson's spoken word, and have been released by the so-called "Lupo Records," about which I couldn't find anything other than, well, this.

They're calling this the first time that these recordings, which were made on September 11, 1967, and were used as demos in a failed attempt to try to secure a recording deal, have been released to the public, although I did find what appears to be the same (or maybe partial) recording available here.

The demos were recorded after Manson was released from prison where he had spent a 10-year suspended sentence for passing stolen checks. It was in the prison where a cell mate, the notorious 1930s bank robber Alvin Karpis, taught Manson to read music and to play the guitar. Manson is currently incarcerated in California's Corcoran State Prison. Several recordings of his works are commercially available, most of which were recorded in prison. But since he is a convicted felon, Manson receives no profit from the sale of these recordings. All royalties are paid into a victims'-rights fund.

Actually, few states forbid criminals and others from making a buck off violent crime (California skirts this with notoriety for profit laws), although coincidentally New Hampshire Representative John DeJoie has introduced legislation that would "require any money made off a violent crime to be turned over to the courts."

Criminals had been barred from making money off their exploits until 1991, when the United States Supreme Court overturned a New York law after finding that it was so broad it would discourage people from telling stories of public interest, such as the Watergate scandal. Critics also argued that the law violated the constitutional right to free speech by forbidding criminals from selling their stories.

DeJoie said he introduced his bill early this year at the request of an attorney from his district who was concerned with what was being sold online. Smart is New Hampshire's most notorious commodity on these sites, but she doesn't generate the kinds of bids that other, better-known convicts can. Charles Manson's signature is selling for $325 on one site; hers can be had for $20, but as of yesterday, no one had bid. The shoes of a school shooter, meanwhile, are available for a minimum bid of $200.

DeJoie isn't the only one opposed to this whole "murderabilia" thing. Roy Brown, father of Amanda, who was seven years old when she was murdered in 1998, finds it heartbreaking and repulsive, and hopes his work will help to stop it.

What is the desire for an oil painting or handwritten poem by a serial killer? What happened to collecting Barbies and Hot Wheels? Even taxidermy would be better.

LustEye

LustEye

Reston, VA
February 2007

MAY 09, 2007 06:41 PM

Oh that is wild! I can 't believe it.. I got chills when I read this..

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

MAY 09, 2007 06:42 PM

Axl is so gonna buy the lot.

semyaza

semyaza

Wildomar, CA
December 2004

MAY 09, 2007 06:42 PM

I have a personal connection to the Manson murders as my mother was best friends with Sharon Tate in junior high school and took dance lessons together. So for me, Manson holds a lot of interest. People can collect whatever the hell they want.

PeteyMac

PeteyMac

Edmonton, AB
June 2006

MAY 09, 2007 07:00 PM

So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?

Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!

saintverlaine

saintverlaine

Hollywood, FL
April 2003

MAY 09, 2007 07:08 PM

The beach boys recorded a reworked manson song on their 20/20 album.

His "LIE" album has been out since 1970 (on ESP), and re-released periodicly.

cd universe link

I doubt "the victims fund" is getting rich off any of this

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

MAY 09, 2007 07:10 PM

Yikes.

Some of his music is actually quite good. But that is neither here nor there.

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

MAY 09, 2007 07:12 PM

Saraphine said:
Yikes.

Some of his music is actually quite good. But that is neither here nor there.



agreed.


mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

MAY 09, 2007 08:22 PM

40 years later? Why didn't they just call it Chinese Democracy?

otaku

otaku

USA
January 2004

MAY 09, 2007 08:24 PM

So who currently gets the royalties from Red Cross's (sorry, Redd Kross's) version of "Cease to Exist"?

Remyx

remyx

Little Rock, AR
March 2004

MAY 09, 2007 08:25 PM

fuck that, strumming a guitar and carrying a tune do not diminish the fact of what he incited and condoned.

We'll see if Bush gets the same reception when he releases an album inspired by this current mess we're in.

JackMD

JackMD

Vashon, WA
June 2004

MAY 09, 2007 08:29 PM

I have this album..I bought it in the 80s at Beggars Banquet in OC, it was the demos that are likely the same as this deal.

imclever

imclever

Kent, WA
February 2007

MAY 09, 2007 08:57 PM

The murders were 2 years after the recordings. They are not making money off of the CRIME, they are making money off of the notoriety.

A subtle but important difference.

If making money off of the notoriety is wrong, toss out all the books, movies and THC shows about WWII and the Holocaust.

Toss out every "true-crime" book ever written.

Toss out COPS and Court TV.

Toss out every crime related fictional drama on TV and in film and literature.

Where do YOU want to draw the line?

HorseheadFiddle

HorseheadFiddle

San Diego, CA
October 2004

MAY 09, 2007 09:02 PM

Yeah, I remember when I worked at Lou's,
Eric was playing it and it was quite and good,
and I was surprised as I'd never heard of
Manson the folk singer.
I remember it being quite good, and
hearing about the ESP release.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

MAY 09, 2007 10:33 PM

PeteyMac said:
So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?

Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!



Could you go ahead and find for me the song Charles Manson recorded in 1967 about the Tate-LaBianca murders?

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

MAY 09, 2007 11:11 PM

Maybe you wouldn't know if you weren't a music geek, but those demos have been circulating forevers. I played some of that stuff on my radio show like 7 years ago.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

MAY 09, 2007 11:34 PM

Who's bumping their Gary Glitter albums proudly? I know I am. He was fucking brilliant. And Mein Kempf was just amazing! I love to sing the praises of that piece of work. I mean, Hitler in his pre-mass-murderer days was something to be applauded. I could care less about that whole "Holocaust" thing, That dude had style. You're stupid if you can't see past the whole "murderer" thing. It's called being open-minded to other lifestyles. Get with the program, you philstines!!!

puke puke puke puke puke puke puke puke puke puke puke puke

Anybody who would applauds the release of this shit (and/or money made off of it) has got some serious issues.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

MAY 09, 2007 11:53 PM

yeah, i'm not a big fan of Charles Manson. in case you were wondering.

tongue

dragonflower

dragonflower

Austin, TX
January 2007

MAY 10, 2007 02:09 AM

imclever said:
The murders were 2 years after the recordings. They are not making money off of the CRIME, they are making money off of the notoriety.

A subtle but important difference.

If making money off of the notoriety is wrong, toss out all the books, movies and THC shows about WWII and the Holocaust.

Toss out every "true-crime" book ever written.

Toss out COPS and Court TV.

Toss out every crime related fictional drama on TV and in film and literature.

Where do YOU want to draw the line?





agreed. and what about those beach boys and the song they recorded? or axl and guns? or anyone else who's ever written a song or book, etc about anything similar. what about marilyn manson, for that matter?
and it is good stuff, albeit creepily so.
like Gacy's clown paintings: creepy as fuck, but actually very good.

PeteyMac

PeteyMac

Edmonton, AB
June 2006

MAY 10, 2007 07:30 AM

imclever said:
The murders were 2 years after the recordings. They are not making money off of the CRIME, they are making money off of the notoriety.

A subtle but important difference.



Remind me how that's important??

imclever said:
If making money off of the notoriety is wrong, toss out all the books, movies and THC shows about WWII and the Holocaust.



I would if the profits were going to Hitler, or Hitler's family......

Or if the criminals in COPS and Court TV were profiting off of their "noteriety".......


imclever said:
Toss out every crime related fictional drama on TV and in film and literature.

Where do YOU want to draw the line?



My comment was not about censorship, but did have to do with morality and society!!!!

I will draw MY LINE at not supporting the "artistic" endeavours of a murderer, how 'bout you?

P.S. See CKDexterHaven's comment!!!

asdeputas

asdeputas

Uruguay
December 2006

MAY 10, 2007 11:04 AM

september 11........thats kinda kinky....

imclever

imclever

Kent, WA
February 2007

MAY 10, 2007 11:09 AM

PeteyMac said:



I would if the profits were going to Hitler, or Hitler's family......

Or if the criminals in COPS and Court TV were profiting off of their "noteriety".......



You must have missed this from the article.

But since he is a convicted felon, Manson receives no profit from the sale of these recordings. All royalties are paid into a victims'-rights fund.



Reading ALL of it - FTW.







PeteyMac

PeteyMac

Edmonton, AB
June 2006

MAY 10, 2007 11:33 AM

I didn't actually, but maybe YOU missed this part:

Criminals had been barred from making money off their exploits until 1991, when the United States Supreme Court overturned a New York law after finding that it was so broad it would discourage people from telling stories of public interest, such as the Watergate scandal. Critics also argued that the law violated the constitutional right to free speech by forbidding criminals from selling their stories.

The heart of the article talks on this very subject, which I commented on the first time! whatever

imclever

imclever

Kent, WA
February 2007

MAY 10, 2007 11:57 AM

PeteyMac said:
I didn't actually, but maybe YOU missed this part:


The heart of the article talks on this very subject, which I commented on the first time! whatever




I've gone through the article several times and took notice of that. However, I don't see how it is completely relevant to your comments.

The issue is profiting off of a crime, correct? these recording predate the crime by two years. It is not him publishing a book about how the murders actually happened step by step, the true crime authors have done enough of that already. They profited and so did the publishers. Are they looked down on?

These recordings are noteworthy because of who Manson is. Yes, he is infamous for a heinous crime. But these recordings are NOT part of that crime. So why does it matter if they are published? Especially since the profits are NOT going to Manson or his family as you specifically stated before, but to a victims rights group.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

MAY 10, 2007 11:59 AM

PeteyMac said:
So if I tortured and killed YOUR mom in a fascinatingly horrific way, sang a song about it, and sold a million records, do you think MY MOM has a right to live in the big mansion I would buy her with the money, or better yet, buy porno mags and smokes or whatever tha fuck they have in prison?

Walk the mile first homes, THEN throw your 2 cents!



So you're saying that you're mother was tortured and killed by a rockstar? If not, shut the fuck up about your walking the first mile nonsense.

Horrific as it may be, it's necessary to allow this sort of thing in order to maintain freedom of speech.

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