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SlightPressureOK

SlightPressureOK

Lakewood, WA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 27, 2002 11:33 AM

Okay, a long shot... Anyone from Israel?

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Reston, VA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 09:26 AM

Nah..they're all out massacring Palestinians by the truckload.




INKEDgirl

INKEDgirl

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 09:50 AM

LOL

SlightPressureOK

SlightPressureOK

Lakewood, WA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 01:03 PM

BatAttaK said:
Nah..they're all out massacring Palestinians by the truckload.






I wish them good hunting.

chapter_one

chapter_one

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 01:25 PM

ok dont make me go anthony zinni on your asses here.

Wise_Gorilla_Man

Wise_Gorilla_Man

I'm lost
July 2002

JUL 28, 2002 01:28 PM

The world has been trying to calm that area for decades if not more. I say seal the area and let 'em fight it out. If they are going to act like children, treat them as children.

chapter_one

chapter_one

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 01:33 PM

Somebody said:
The world has been trying to calm that area for decades if not more. I say seal the area and let 'em fight it out. If they are going to act like children, treat them as children.



yeah but the problem with that logic is there are ACTUAL children there on both sides being killed over stupid adult conflicts. as well as thousands of other innocents.

Marla

Marla

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

JUL 28, 2002 02:12 PM

chapter_one said:
yeah but the problem with that logic is there are ACTUAL children there on both sides being killed over stupid adult conflicts. as well as thousands of other innocents.


yes. think of the children. thank you.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 02:15 PM

I'll give free memberships to anyone serving active duty in the IDF.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 02:17 PM

SlightPressureOkay said:

BatAttaK said:
Nah..they're all out massacring Palestinians by the truckload.






I wish them good hunting.



me too!

hybrid

hybrid

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 02:18 PM

I don't wish them good hunting. I don't support anything they do as they are doing as much damage as the other is. To support either side is really ridiculous. I do have to say tearing down houses in order to expand because their population is getting out of control is really uncalled for. Crossing boundaries where you shouldn't be isn't right at all.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2002 by hybrid]

hybrid

hybrid

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 03:34 PM

Spooky said:
I'll give free memberships to anyone serving active duty in the IDF.



While others are busy talking about violence against homosexuals, what people say that piss them off, and other topics. I'll say what others will probably not say to you since you're like a God to them and don't want to get on your bad side. I had a lot of respect for you, but now I'm not even sure I do. Since you will give free memberships to those in the IDF and wish them happy hunting, it looks like you support all the violence that is being done by the IDF such as...


IDF Military Operations in Jenin


Israel's Use of Weapons

That's nice of you Spooky....

[Edited on Jul 28, 2002 by hybrid]

[Edited on Jul 29, 2002 by hybrid]

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 03:57 PM

I 100% support all the violence that is being done by the IDF, not because I support killing people, but because there are causes worth fighting and dieing for, and in all wars, there are civilian casualties.

I believe in right and wrong. I believe in good and evil. I believe the Israeli Government is right and good and the PA is wrong and evil.

I also don't believe in defending a group of people who cheered and celebrated the deaths of 3,500 Americans noncombatants. I don't believe in defending people who purposefully target civilian children for death. I don't believe in defending people who slaughter Olympic athletes. I don't believe in defending people who don't believe in equal rights for women. I don't believe in defending people who call for the mass murder of 7 million people, who don't believe in democracy, freedom of press, freedom of religion, etc.

If I'm a god to anyone, then they are a fool. I think people here can recognize there is a difference between my political beliefs and my ability to build and maintain a website or online community. I think most people here are fans of my work on this website not my politics. That's OK. People can disagree with me all they want politically, I've never kicked anyone off the site for disagreeing with my politics. The closest I ever came was deleting posts by someone who was talking about how the holocaust was a Zionist conspiracy and never happened. I won't have the website used to disseminate racist nonsense. I wouldn't allow posts saying black people are inferior to white people or that all Muslims should be killed. But if you want to say the Israeli's are bad, go ahead.

A pretty good explanation of why the IDF must begin to use more and deadlier force is here.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2002 by Spooky]

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 03:59 PM




No sympathy for those who celebrate the death of innocents.

chapter_one

chapter_one

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 04:26 PM

i hope you realize those that were caught cheering on film represent a small proportion of the population of palestinians. i dont think things are as black and white as people want to make them. dont get me wrong, i think palestinian suicide bombings are one of the pussiest forms of "resistance" possible, and i dont agree with them whatsoever. but the bombings are done by extremist terrorist groups, and whether some of the general population agrees or not doesnt give the right to slaughted the rest of the population. comments like "i wish them good hunting" on civilian population slaughters, quite frankly, are racist and disgusting. im sorry.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 04:39 PM

I believe the IDF hunts terrorists, not civilians, so as I said before I wish them good hunting.

Small number of Palestinians celebrating?

67% of palestinians support suicide bombing, or the intentional killing of innocent civilians. The poll, which has a 3% margin of error, was conducted between May 15-18, when 1,317 adults were interviewed face to face in 120 locations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 04:45 PM

chapter_one said:
i hope you realize those that were caught cheering on film represent a small proportion of the population of palestinians.



It's not a small number, its quite clearly the majority. I have been to Israel and the west bank, egypt and lebanon. If you think the majority of Palestinians don't want you dead, you are mistaken.

Where do you get the idea that it was a small portion of the population? Or did you just make that up?

[Edited on Jul 28, 2002 by Spooky]

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 04:52 PM

lisa said:
spooky, I would hope that you as an internet guru would be the first to check all sources before "pointing to proof".
the first picture in that image is the one where a major american television channel used old images from the gulf war claiming that they were new and relevant.



That is a urban myth disproved. Here is the evidence. I worked as an investigator for a *major* network news outlet for a few years and I think you'll find snopes.com to be the definitive resource for disproving urban myths, we used to use it all the time.

Next time check your facts instead of attacking mine without any evidence.

chapter_one

chapter_one

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 04:57 PM

Spooky said:

chapter_one said:
i hope you realize those that were caught cheering on film represent a small proportion of the population of palestinians.



It's not a small number, its quite clearly the majority. I have been to Israel and the west bank, egypt and lebanon. If you don't think the majority of Palestinians don't want you dead, you are mistaken.

Where do you get the idea that it was a small portion of the population? Or did you just make that up?



where did i get the idea that it was a small portion? probably since all of those images combined show what... 100, 200 people? estimate how many people were involved in those rallies. is it even close to the majority of the millions of palestinians? yeah thats not exactly the majority of the population there. i can show you pictures my roommate had of pro-palestinian rallies in chicago that have more people, but does that mean chicago is pro-palestinian?

speaking of making stuff up, how on earth did you come to the conclusion that "the majority" of palestinians want ME dead? i dont have any clue how you can begin to try and back that one up.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 05:04 PM

lisa said:

terrorists attacks and suicide bombers are the choices of civilans who feel there is no other way to go. they haev no money and their leaders have no lobbyism in Washington as the Israelis do. they want freedom for their children and they belive that what they do is for a higher purpose.
they do not see the suffering of the innocent cause they have seen the suffering of their own innocent for years and years.



The Palestinians have a number of groups that lobby on their behalf in washington, and the Saudi's easily outspend what the Israelis do in Washington, a good deal of which is on the behalf of a Palestinian State.

Do I need to link to the lobby groups or are you smart enough to do the google search yourself? You're either a liar, or your misiniformed. I would assume the latter if it wasn't for your digusting apologizing for the *purposeful* killing of innocent civilians. But I guess being European, you have a nice long tradition of rationalising or marginalizing the killing of Jews, its sort of a tradition for you guys. We all knew what Sweden did the last time people were killing Jews en mass.

At least when the Israeli's kill civilians as a byproduct of targetting terrorists they apologize for it, the Palestinians don't apologize because the civilians were the targets, not a byproduct of a legitamite miloitary action.

chapter_one

chapter_one

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 05:06 PM

erm, i dont know that it has to be FAKE or REAL per se. news organizations oftentimes use file clips to represent current events. if theres palestinians cheering in the streets and they dont have the current version on hand they show past file footage.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 05:08 PM

lisa said:
Next time check your facts instead of attacking mine without any evidence.

that page was last updated late september. it has since been proved that it was fake. swedish television had a documentary about the "recycling of news" and this was one episode. the very same woman in the very same dress and the very same children in their schooluniforms were used in a newscast on the gulf both in sweden as well as in denmark,.

it was even used as a relevant fact in the courts on the eu-meeting riot and the fact that those newsreports and videotapes had been fiddled with.

so unless scandinavian news is pshycic, it´s still fake.




Ok just provide me with a link or any evidence to this effect and I'll believe you. In the meantime I have a statement from the Wall Street Journal, The L.A. Times, CNN, Rueters and The Jerusalem Post all debunking that theory. I think you'll forgive me for trusting them over you without any evidence.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 05:12 PM

chapter_one said:
erm, i dont know that it has to be FAKE or REAL per se. news organizations oftentimes use file clips to represent current events. if theres palestinians cheering in the streets and they dont have the current version on hand they show past file footage.



Why don't you read the link on snopes.com which has more than ample evidence that it is real footage shot on September 11th in the West Bank. U.S. News organizations do not show file footage without clearly marking it as such, and they certainly don't air it without marking at as File Footage and then release public statements saying its real.

hybrid

hybrid

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2002 05:20 PM

What other resistance do the Palestinians have against the Israelis? The Israelis have American Military weapons and the Palestinans don't. You have Israel whose population is getting out of hand. They're moving into Palestinian terrority, bulldozing homes even while people are still inside. Would you like it if someone did that to your home? Israel has been occupying land since 1967 "illegally". They abuse Palestinians living in their own land. Why do you think the UN has a problem with Israel even before September 11? There are even IDF soldiers who condemn what their own country is doing are protesting the wrong!

My mom went to Israel in 1993. When she got back she was appalled at how the Israelis treated the Palestinians. Not only that, but she was upset how the Israelis didn't want to help her and my brother when my brother was sick. My brother was on a bus and needed medical attention immediately. Seeking help my mother asked the driver to stop the bus, but he didn't want to and neither did the passangers. So a man came from back of the bus, asked the driver to stop and still he refused to, so the man pulled out a gun a pointed it at the driver and the passangers, telling them to let my mother and her son get off the bus as the boy needed to see a doctor. Once the bus stopped the man called people from that current location to assist my mother and brother. They were able to get a doctor right away. While this was happening the man held the bus in its current location till my brother was seen by the doctor. Can you guess what was the man's nationality and the other people that helped them were? They were all Palestinians.

So calling them all evil and saying that they should be killed isn't right. What they do not like and hate is how the United States supports Israel in everyway.
I remember seeing a report on BBC news where they interviewed some Palestinians. They asked them if they hated the American people, they said they didn't but they hated out government.

I found this and you can not say this is false because it is true:
"The Israeli governement has and continues to employ a systematic and escalating assault on the civilian population, including the killing, torturing, and massacring of women and children, the mass demolition of homes, assassinations, illegal arrests and detentions, the destruction of infrastructure and food-producing agricultural land, the diversion of water, and other natural resources, as well as deliberately impeding the flow of medical supplies, and other relief aid so that the injured, and displaced may further suffer, be permanently crippled or die."


Israeli Soldiers Protest

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 28, 2002 05:21 PM

chapter_one said:

where did i get the idea that it was a small portion? probably since all of those images combined show what... 100, 200 people? estimate how many people were involved in those rallies. is it even close to the majority of the millions of palestinians? yeah thats not exactly the majority of the population there. i can show you pictures my roommate had of pro-palestinian rallies in chicago that have more people, but does that mean chicago is pro-palestinian?

speaking of making stuff up, how on earth did you come to the conclusion that "the majority" of palestinians want ME dead? i dont have any clue how you can begin to try and back that one up.



This was not a planned rally, these were images taken in the street after news of the Sept 11 massacre took place. Obviously you can't take pictures of every single person celebrating, these are a few images which represent a larger number.

You can taste the entire ocean in a drop of seawater.

I suggest you go read sokme first hand accounts of Americans jounralists and travelers in The West Bank shortly after 9/11. I have, its a rather better indicator of the general mood than counting people in photos.

As for Palestinians wanting you dead, I am assuming you are an American Citizen. Go read some of Hammas's (Which enjoys a 92% approval rating amongst Palestinians) diatribes on "The Big Devil" and what they believe should happen to American Citizens.

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