NEWS: Judge Thrown Off of Native American Case

POLITICS: Judge Thrown Off of Native American Case

What kind of person would say this about the department of the interior: "a dinosaur -- the morally and culturally oblivious hand-me-down of a disgracefully racist and imperialist government that should have been buried a century ago, the pathetic outpost of the indifference and anglocentrism we thought we had left behind"? Sounds like your typical tree-hugging hippy liberal with a "Free Leonard Peltier" bumper sticker on his 1976 VW Bug, right? Wrong. The writer of those words is a US district judge, Royce Lamberth, a Texas conservative appointed by Ronald Reagan who has been presiding over Cobell v. Kempthorne for almost ten years, a case where the Department of the Interior is being accused of mishandling "trusts" on Indian reservations. These trusts were supposed to exist as a way for Native Americans to get back money made from natural resources on that were being used on their reservations by US companies, but allegations of gross mismanagement spawned this nearly endless lawsuit. Apparently the Justice Department was not happy with Lamberth's "anti-government bias" and so pushed the appellate court to remove Lamberth from the case.

It just seems to be a continuation of a long and depressing precedent of screwing over Native Americans. Not only were they killed en masse, herded around the country and finally corralled into reservations thought to be worthless land, but once it was discovered that those reservations had some useful natural resources on them we decided to grab those for ourselves too at a discount rate. One would think that given the embarrassing history between the US and the Indian nations that the department of the interior would tread with the greatest care in disbursing funds made by exploiting resources on reservations. Not so, and in fact the DOI has incompetently managed these funds and more or less systematically screwed the reservations out of a lot of money that should rightfully belong to them.

So rather than correct the problem, fix the accounting system and give the reservations the money that belongs to them, the justice department has successfully lobbied to get a new, less sympathetic judge appointed to the case.

Can we please, please get this case settled and stop screwing these people over? You'd think after this long it would have become tiresome, but apparently not.

Sadly this is not anything new.

As a native american studying law I find that the american government has done a splendid job of keeping all affairs dealing with natives secretive. Now a days hiding behind 9/11's title of "national security" They have ability to keep all documents they want secret.
Look at leonard peltier, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Jalil Muntaqim, as well as any information on these cases or the Case of Fred Hampton.

If people had any idea of what is going on to this day in Indian country.
Screw that if half of americans had any clue at all about whats going on in this country to every race.
Native, African, French, Spanish.

*shakes head*

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The French?

Reparation for slavery or payment to the indigenous as prescribed by treaties would bankrupt the goverment. that is why they are afraid.

Seriously the way people are treated in this country is crazy, and the fact that so little people know how willing the government is to step all over peoples rights to get what they want/need or to cover up there past mistakes

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Guess they should have thought about that before fucking over so many races.
Tough shit really. Our government is already so far in debt yet we spend billions on a war half the country doesn't agree with.
Does this sound like smart management of money?
How about our constant reprinting of money? New nickels every year for the past three? Way to spend time and money. You know they where paying groups of people to come up with the new look of our money. Then all the money it took to reprint said money.

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It isn't just that. These people should be helped out but exactly what good would a lump sum of money do? There needs to be ongoing job programs and scholarships instead. The current generation is no more exclusively deserving of this money then the generation 20 years from now.

Huh? I am still confused what exactly did the government do the to race of the French?

I thought that list was that game on Seasme Street. One of these squares doesn't match the other.

lol I was just trying to get across the point that "white" people while far less likely still have there rights violated and are still shit on if the government sees the need. Just ask any white person who marched with Dr. King.

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The constant updating of the US currency is in effort to curve counterfeiting which in turn saves the country more money. In addition, the newly minted currency replaces older notes as they reach the banking system. Check out:

http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/4/27
http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/7/38

I understand why they do it.
but do you understand that it took less then 4 days for the first major corporation to receive a counterfeit new 10???
4 days. Doesn't seem like they saved all that much money after cutting the "creative geniuses" there checks.

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Why would a major corporation counterfeit money? That's a Federal offense. The Secret Service doesn't fuck around. And anyone with half a brain would counterfeit a $20 bill before they'd do a ten.

The new bills are harder to make convincing counterfeits of. Counterfeits of them are harder to pass.

To be completely honest with you, it sounds like you're giving us a plethora of useless and baseless anecdotes. Something you heard and presume to be true. Sources?

Yes, someone could counterfeit the new ten. Just as easily as with the old one (though you'd need scanning and imaging software that doesn't prevent you from doing that, nearly every piece of imaging software on the market today PREVENTS you from using it to scan money.

Counterfeits of the new bills are harder to pass and easier to detect than the old ones.

What that's got to do with the Native Americans getting fucked over, I have no clue.

The government can make a new $10 bill fully rehashed, hand it to a person with a copier (for simplicity) and have them make a counterfeit $10 note in seconds. This does not mean their note is able to pass as a real one. It is due to the real ones security features and the constant updating that keeps counterfeiter%u2019s one step behind. If it only took four days to discover the counterfeit $10 note, it proves the point that the new security features were not reproducible by the armature person. If the counterfeit was quality, it would take much longer to be discovered.

In addition, this is why many legal documents are incorporating holographic images. The know how and equipment needed to reproduce holographic images in large volumes requires a substantial capital investments which the average counterfeiter lacks. The larger criminals will be able to do so, but the process can take months to an upwards of years. At that point governments are already making updates to the documents.

In short, there will always be counterfeit currency. But if the same process and materials used to make currency from the 19th century were used today, I bet you would see a lot more counterfeit money.

Sometimes temporal lag allows for cerebral thought and eliminates faulty conclusions.

I have a question its only a very small one but is the U.S not supposed to be the ideal democracy, the land wear all are free and treated equally, where everyone is entiltled to their day in court for justice.

I think some of the pollies opps fuck that all of the pollies need to go back and read the fucking constiution and all the other documents that the fore fathers put in place upon the countries conception including the fucking national anthem and the first one should be the fuck wit cock sucking no brainer retarded dip shit running the country called the president and then lead by example on this mater.

How can the U.S say its helping bring about a better world when its no better if not worse then the countries it claims to be helping. If one wants to enforce and show the way they need to lead by example and denouncing other countries for there actions yet doing the same dose not do this. I dont care weather or not the U.S is a supposed democracy and free country but tortureing and discrimninting ppl like does is fucking wrong weather its an unemployed person, the CEO of a company or the Prez all should be held in the same accout and regard at the same level and the more someone travels up the food chain the more they should be held accountable.

O Bush if you get hold of this or one of your cronies go fuck yourself im not scared your red neck imbecile.

1). WTF are pollies and opps?

2). Yes the US treatment of indigenous peoples is completely fucked-up and reprehensible, but Australia doesn't have an exactly spotless record either.

3). Yes George W. Bush is a complete asshole, an imbecile, and the world would be a better place if he wasn't around, but the US has been fucking over Native Americans long before his daddy, and his daddy's daddy, and his daddy's daddy's daddy were born, so I don't think we can totally blame this one on him.

I agree with Hadees. A lump sum of money distributed to Native Americans or to African Americans as reparations will do little good, and will eventually end up back in the hands of the white-owned corporations.
Money needs to be put into funding programs aimed at breaking the cycle of poverty that has existed since the persecution of Native Americans and the enslavement of African Americans began.

quick question who's counterfeiting nickles?

With the indigenous there can't be a lump sum because money continues to be mad off thier lanbd so the money will continue to flow to them. Agree with programs.

No GW Bush did not start all this. But he was in an organisation that have Geronimo's skull in a box. That is something.

With the indigenous there can't be a lump sum because money continues to be mad off thier lanbd so the money will continue to flow to them. Agree with programs.

No GW Bush did not start all this. But he was in an organisation that have Geronimo's skull in a box. That is something.