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SUICIDEGIRL

Maryland, USA

JUL 10, 2006 05:03 AM

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:
.I am against gymnasia

what? your against high school educations? or are you against dodge ball and rope climbing?

Gymnasia are impediments to natural evolution.

We don't have to chase woolly mammoths with spears.

We shouldn't need exercise in this era, but our bodies can't evolve while vain gym rats keep stalling the evolutionary process by fooling our bodies into thinking that we do.

Plus, being more attractive, they are more likely to breed.

hmm. you are pulling my chain here.

no - straight up

our bodies evolve because of circumstance

we are losing our little toes because we don't climb trees
we are losing body hair because we wear cloths

we have developed technology at a rate that is disproportionately fast compared to the rate of evolution

wireless technology and the Internet means that pretty soon we won't have to leave the chair at all

our bodies need to evolve into a species that can metabolise 5000 calories a day without any exercise

but "keep fit" fanatics on their treadmills, lifting weights sweating away on the cross-dresser (or whatever that torture device is called) - just fool the body into thinking that natural living burns up those calories

they fool the body into thinking that it has no need to adapt from a species that naturally takes exercise

this would be okay if if gym rats were ugly or sterile, but as they are beautiful and toned, they are more likely to breed and therefore tilt the furture model of human anatomy in their direction

it's irresponsible

I don't think you appreciate the sacrifices fat, unfit people make

You cannot be serious.

Not everyone works on their ass behind a desk, and not everyone will. A good friend of mine was a jock growing up, and continued to be a health nut after he left school, and now he's a firefighter, and a damned good one. I for one am glad that he didn't spend his childhood and susbsequent years completely sedentary, because now he's saving lives and loving it.

Many people, in all cultures, rely on their fitness for their livelihoods. No, we're not chasing wooly mammoths, but that's no excuse for anyone (firefighter or not) to deliberately let their bodies go to shit.

I'm reading some of your statements and I just can't help thinking that you cannot be serious. I mean...yeah.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:06 AM

I've no doubt that there were medical fuck ups. Thalidomide was also medical fuck up. Israel has compensated the victims and it is history.

I'm VERY WARY of anti-west, anti-israel bloodlibel conspiracy theories - and I'm certainly not freaking out calling it fascism or equating it to a justice system that stones people, cuts off limbs, gouges out eyes and hangs people for their sexual orientation.

spamtwo

United Kingdom

April 2006

JUL 10, 2006 05:06 AM

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:
.I am against gymnasia

what? your against high school educations? or are you against dodge ball and rope climbing?

Gymnasia are impediments to natural evolution.

We don't have to chase woolly mammoths with spears.

We shouldn't need exercise in this era, but our bodies can't evolve while vain gym rats keep stalling the evolutionary process by fooling our bodies into thinking that we do.

Plus, being more attractive, they are more likely to breed.

hmm. you are pulling my chain here.

no - straight up

our bodies evolve because of circumstance

we are losing our little toes because we don't climb trees
we are losing body hair because we wear cloths

we have developed technology at a rate that is disproportionately fast compared to the rate of evolution

wireless technology and the Internet means that pretty soon we won't have to leave the chair at all

our bodies need to evolve into a species that can metabolise 5000 calories a day without any exercise

but "keep fit" fanatics on their treadmills, lifting weights sweating away on the cross-dresser (or whatever that torture device is called) - just fool the body into thinking that natural living burns up those calories

they fool the body into thinking that it has no need to adapt from a species that naturally takes exercise

this would be okay if if gym rats were ugly or sterile, but as they are beautiful and toned, they are more likely to breed and therefore tilt the furture model of human anatomy in their direction

it's irresponsible

I don't think you appreciate the sacrifices fat, unfit people make

I have no idea if you're being serious here, but this is one of the funniest things I've read for ages

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY

February 2004

JUL 10, 2006 05:08 AM

Cairo said:

UpTight said:
[some jokes

You cannot be serious.

Not everyone works on their ass behind a desk, and not everyone will. A good friend of mine was a jock growing up, and continued to be a health nut after he left school, and now he's a firefighter, and a damned good one. I for one am glad that he didn't spend his childhood and susbsequent years completely sedentary, because now he's saving lives and loving it.

Many people, in all cultures, rely on their fitness for their livelihoods. No, we're not chasing wooly mammoths, but that's no excuse for anyone (firefighter or not) to deliberately let their bodies go to shit.

I'm reading some of your statements and I just can't help thinking that you cannot be serious. I mean...yeah.

i know, right? hes SO not scientific it hurts my brain. its like he gets the conclusion he wants first and then works backwards to get there. (which is actually how comedy works, not science or medecine)

hey, uptight, did you maybe think that being fit, while calorie expensive in the short run, is healthier and therefore less expensive to the halth system in the longer one?

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:16 AM

Cairo said:
Many people, in all cultures, rely on their fitness for their livelihoods. No, we're not chasing wooly mammoths, but that's no excuse for anyone (firefighter or not) to deliberately let their bodies go to shit.

I think that some essenitial careers need a level of fitness.

Namely, firefighters, porn stars and soccer players.

They should be afforded a license to exercise, while the rest of us are banned for reasons of evolutionary responsibility.

eventually, as I say, nobody should need to exercise - our bodies will be fit without it - however this can't evolve while lycra-clad narcissists are stalling the process and breeding others to do the same.

right - I'm off to eat a box of doughnuts in the name of humanity

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:18 AM

spamtwo said:
I have no idea if you're being serious here, but this is one of the funniest things I've read for ages

It's guilt.

An excuse to justify my own rotting, unused gym membership.

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY

February 2004

JUL 10, 2006 05:20 AM

UpTight said:

spamtwo said:
I have no idea if you're being serious here, but this is one of the funniest things I've read for ages

It's guilt.

An excuse to justify my own rotting, unused gym membership.

Quirky

Birmingham, AL

October 2005

JUL 10, 2006 06:01 AM

UpTight said:

oyaji said:
UpTight: you focus on the tangential evil-deeds of Iran et al because of your personal agenda. It's an insult to the intelligence of everyone here to claim otherwise.

Islamism is a brutal, imperialist theocratic movement that treats women, gay people and other religions like shit. It spits on our freedom and seeks to institute sharia law over much of this planet.

In essence you are arguing that I shouldn't be condemning Islamism.

NOTHING you can say will persuade me not to.

It is the morally right thing to do, and shame on you for criticising me for doing it. Shame on you for wanting to brush it under the carpet and shame on you for letting your political prejudices get in the way of your moral compass.

This is why I think the verb "to be" should be banned from usage. It's too easy to say what things are. Definition is a lousy fucking argument.

Phoebus

Italy

OLD SKOOL

JUL 10, 2006 06:25 AM

vermicious_knid said:
No instead, the U.S. Army fills up lightbulbs with weaponized germs and puts them in N.Y. subways so it can infect unsuspecting citizens.

It releases mosquitoes infected with yellow fever in Savannah, Avon Park, and Carter village so that it can study the effects on the almost exclusively black victims.

Find out about the Pellagra incident. The tuskegee syphilis experiments. The Virginia and North Carolina forced sterilization projects.

The U.S. Navy spraying chemical weapons into San Francisco. Bioweapons into Tampa, FL. Find out about Project SHAD. Check out water fluoridation....

None of these ^ were "medical fuckups." They were deliberate trials on unsuspecting populations. ......and these are just the ones that roll off the top of my head. Google them. Educate yourself.

Spend some time actually examining what these western governments do - and then go cast stones at the Islamofascists.

Isn't one of the justifications of the war in Iraq because its leader "uses chemical weapons on his own people."

Will I get results like your BBC article, where the primary victims were volunteers and the secondary victims were exposed to what was thought to be a harmless aerosol?

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA

November 2004

JUL 10, 2006 06:36 AM

attn_ho said:
you mentioned nothing about health care

HAHAHA! That is fucking funny aatn_ho! It amazes me how liberals cry and moan about health care every four years but strangly enough I NEVER see any Dems in Congress propose a solution. Sure you had Hillary's MASSIVE socialist health care plan in the 90's but even the american sheeple could see that farce for what it was and it died on the vine. Answer me this: why wasn't this problem solved during the 40 years Democrat Congressinal control, especialy the first two years of Clinton? And while you're at it why don't you explain what the Democrat/liberal solution to health care is? Because I can't seem to find it.

P.S. Sorry for going off topic UpTight but I couldn't let that one slide.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 06:53 AM

vermicious_knid said:
UpTight said:

None of these ^ were "medical fuckups." They were deliberate trials on unsuspecting populations. ......and these are just the ones that roll off the top of my head. Google them. Educate yourself.

When you Google ringworm and israel every fucking website is a warped, cranky antisemitic Jewhate site.

There maybe some truth to this story, but I sure as shit ain't gonna take it via a blood libel filter.

This like this and your "CIA trained dwarves to impregnate poor people with anthrax zombie potion" are remarkable and unbelievable because they are so out of character.

Stories about the slicing and dicing of citizens of Islamist regimes are unremarkable because that is how things are done in those countries.

Our society for its faults and killer dwarf programs, relatively has its shit together and needs to be championed.

Chop 'em and stone 'em Islamist culture is basically where Europe was during the era of the witch trials. It needs to go through an age of enlightenment, but it can't while people here are facilitating it by making excuses for it or by self hating.

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 10, 2006 07:15 AM

I know you don't care but my iranian contact in France wants to thank you.

Here is the translation of her email.

Thanks so much for her and for me who doesn't feel alone anymore.

I will show on kurdian websites all names.

You must write to iranian ambassies in your own country to stop the sentence.

A lawyer could be helpful because the republic can stop the sentende because of international pressure and will kill hert in 2 years.
Even the death's penalty is stopped, she will be betan (flagellation ? does it exist in english ?) 50 or 100 times.

This is what will happen to Nazanine who killed her rapist.

Thanks so much

bones_708

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:22 AM

oyaji said:

I'm not some shitbag divorce or personal injury lawyer, holmes. I don't think you have the first idea what it is that I or most lawyers actually do for a living. Lawyer "jokes" are generally the result of layman contact with lawyers, which is usually in those two arenas. The law is about much, much more than that.

I am an officer of the court. I have sworn to uphold the constitution. The law is an honorable profession that requires education and skill. I'm proud of being a lawyer. We have the power to make things happen with words.

Oh please. Grow up. You're a big boy. And you can do better than "wah wah, lawyers are important. I'm important!"

"We all know here that the law is the most powerful of schools for the imagination. No poet ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth. "

Jean Giraudoux

bones_708

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:25 AM

oyaji said:

Penfold said:

oyaji said:
On the other hand, I am part of the community here that UpTight is polluting with his noxious tactics. And I can do something about that rather constructively.

Yes, personal attacks, name calling, and threats of violence are very constructive.

Find me an example of a personal attack or threat of violence.

I believe I said something about a "foreign disease" after I had been called a whining baby and generally berated. Sue me.

I said "you are cruisin for a bruisin." Did anyone take that as a threat of physical violence. Please.

Grow up.

Come up with a real response to the various ways I've ripped you a new one or get the fuck out of here with your dick in the dirt.

For a lawyer that's weak. You got beat up a lot as a kid didn't you?

bones_708

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:27 AM

oyaji said:

Penfold said:
You haven't ripped anyone a new one, you've thrown around juvenile remarks and petty insults.

No, I tore you and others a new one and made it entertaining for me and others by throwing in some jocular profanity and returned fire when peppered by feckless name-calling.

Want to respond to the substance of my post(s), or will you be continuing to pretend that all I did was say "nyah, nyah, you're a doody-head?"

No you said "ignore the post 'cus UpTight's a Poopy Head" or words to that effect.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 09:19 AM

and anyway, I'm not a poopy head, I'm a poopy human being

quanta

I'm lost

June 2006

JUL 10, 2006 11:01 AM

MisterSatan said:
Hate to break it to you, chuckles, but signing a petition online is roughly equivalent to a 38-year old man writing a letter to Santa.

You must have a more effective course of action in mind,what is it?

quagmirething

I'm lost

June 2005

JUL 10, 2006 07:10 PM

mathilde74 said:
flagellation ? does it exist in english ?

Yes, the English are quite familiar with flagellation.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 09:57 PM

oyaji said:
I'm arguing that you should be honest and say you wouldn't give a fuck if "Islamists" were not also anti-Zionist/anti-Israel.

Of course I would.

Islamism and its treatment of people are totally obnoxious - regardless of Israel.

In the past I've also mentioned how much I deplore the human rights abuses of Cuba, China, Zimbabwe & Burma.

What have they got to do with Israel?

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 11, 2006 04:34 AM

Here is the next action. Youcan take the letter which is following or writing yours.
BUT do not critizice the government, do not critizice Charia or islamic laws.

write to
- irjpr@iranjudiciary.org (mail titre : " Please forward to Ayatollah Shahroudi")
- spiritual guide : c.einfo@leader.ir ou istiftaa@wilayah.org (mail titre: « FAO the Office of His Excellency, Ayatollah al Udhma Khamenei »)
- President: His Excellency Mahmoud Ahmadinejad : dr-ahmadinejad@president.ir
- Minister of Interior : Hojjatoleslam Mustafa Purmohammadi : ravabetomomi@moi.gov.ir

Letter :
Dear Sir,

I am writing to express my concern as to the fate of Malak Ghorbany condemned to the stoning for adultery. I take it upon myself therefore to remind you of your obligations under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically Article 3. This states: Every individual has the right to
life, liberty and personal security.
Stoning is incompatible with Irans obligations towards International Law concerning Human Rights. (The International Treaty on Civil and Political Rights, ratified by Iran on the 24 June 1975, effective as of the 23 March 1976).

Given your concern for respecting Human Rights, I am persuaded that you will know how best to respect those of Malak Ghorbany and that you will therefore free this woman as quickly as possible.

Very respectfully yours,

Nokturn

United Kingdom

April 2006

JUL 11, 2006 10:26 AM

MisterSatan said:
Hate to break it to you, chuckles, but signing a petition online is roughly equivalent to a 38-year old man writing a letter to Santa.

Well, not really, hey?
Santa doesn't exist, therefore delivery of presents from said Santa is impossible.
Governments do change their minds on occasion (even Islamist ones), especially when a lot of people point out they have more to gain from altering their stance.
Yes, its unlikely. So what?
Haven't bought a lottery ticket? Ain't gonna win the lottery.

I've been pleasantly surprised recently by detailed (and actually very swift) responses I've gotten from MPs on letters I've written about political issues.
If you think Islamist governments will do nothing, what about 'democratic' ones?
Petitions like this can be used in lots of ways.
What do you think a petition of thousands of names sent to the white house, house of commons or (often better still) local MPs, councillers or senators does?
All these people are power hungry and in democratic nations, in the end people determine who has and keeps power.
Of course our 'democracies' are far from fairly representative (hence the inverted commas) but bulk petitions mean bulk support.
Politicians aren't going to do anything out of the goodness of thier hearts, but they may well do something in order to garner more support for themselves.
Politics is a game.
There's no point in complaining that we, the little people, lose that game when we can't even be bothered to play.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 11, 2006 11:36 AM

mathilde74 said:
Here is the next action. Youcan take the letter which is following or writing yours.
BUT do not critizice the government, do not critizice Charia or islamic laws.

write to
- irjpr@iranjudiciary.org (mail titre : " Please forward to Ayatollah Shahroudi")
- spiritual guide : c.einfo@leader.ir ou istiftaa@wilayah.org (mail titre: « FAO the Office of His Excellency, Ayatollah al Udhma Khamenei »)
- President: His Excellency Mahmoud Ahmadinejad : dr-ahmadinejad@president.ir
- Minister of Interior : Hojjatoleslam Mustafa Purmohammadi : ravabetomomi@moi.gov.ir

Letter :
Dear Sir,

I am writing to express my concern as to the fate of Malak Ghorbany condemned to the stoning for adultery. I take it upon myself therefore to remind you of your obligations under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically Article 3. This states: %u201CEvery individual has the right to
life, liberty and personal security.%u201D
Stoning is incompatible with Iran%u2019s obligations towards International Law concerning Human Rights. (The International Treaty on Civil and Political Rights, ratified by Iran on the 24 June 1975, effective as of the 23 March 1976).

Given your concern for respecting Human Rights, I am persuaded that you will know how best to respect those of Malak Ghorbany and that you will therefore free this woman as quickly as possible.

Very respectfully yours,

Sent!

(with tongue in cheek about the part that said "Given your concern for respecting Human Rights")

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 12, 2006 01:58 AM

I know... but we have to shut up ; my iranian contact in France told me to be careful with them.

Chainlink

Key West, FL

August 2005

JUL 12, 2006 12:24 PM

mathilde74 said:
Here is the next action. Youcan take the letter which is following or writing yours.
BUT do not critizice the government, do not critizice Charia or islamic laws.

write to
- irjpr@iranjudiciary.org (mail titre : " Please forward to Ayatollah Shahroudi")
- spiritual guide : c.einfo@leader.ir ou istiftaa@wilayah.org (mail titre: « FAO the Office of His Excellency, Ayatollah al Udhma Khamenei »)
- President: His Excellency Mahmoud Ahmadinejad : dr-ahmadinejad@president.ir
- Minister of Interior : Hojjatoleslam Mustafa Purmohammadi : ravabetomomi@moi.gov.ir

Letter :
Dear Sir,

I am writing to express my concern as to the fate of Malak Ghorbany condemned to the stoning for adultery. I take it upon myself therefore to remind you of your obligations under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically Article 3. This states: %u201CEvery individual has the right to
life, liberty and personal security.%u201D
Stoning is incompatible with Iran%u2019s obligations towards International Law concerning Human Rights. (The International Treaty on Civil and Political Rights, ratified by Iran on the 24 June 1975, effective as of the 23 March 1976).

Given your concern for respecting Human Rights, I am persuaded that you will know how best to respect those of Malak Ghorbany and that you will therefore free this woman as quickly as possible.

Very respectfully yours,

Thank you so very much for this.

Chainlink

Key West, FL

August 2005

JUL 12, 2006 03:08 PM

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:
.I am against gymnasia

what? your against high school educations? or are you against dodge ball and rope climbing?

Gymnasia are impediments to natural evolution.

We don't have to chase woolly mammoths with spears.

We shouldn't need exercise in this era, but our bodies can't evolve while vain gym rats keep stalling the evolutionary process by fooling our bodies into thinking that we do.

Plus, being more attractive, they are more likely to breed.

hmm. you are pulling my chain here.

no - straight up

our bodies evolve because of circumstance

we are losing our little toes because we don't climb trees
we are losing body hair because we wear cloths

we have developed technology at a rate that is disproportionately fast compared to the rate of evolution

wireless technology and the Internet means that pretty soon we won't have to leave the chair at all

our bodies need to evolve into a species that can metabolise 5000 calories a day without any exercise

but "keep fit" fanatics on their treadmills, lifting weights sweating away on the cross-dresser (or whatever that torture device is called) - just fool the body into thinking that natural living burns up those calories

they fool the body into thinking that it has no need to adapt from a species that naturally takes exercise

this would be okay if if gym rats were ugly or sterile, but as they are beautiful and toned, they are more likely to breed and therefore tilt the furture model of human anatomy in their direction

it's irresponsible

I don't think you appreciate the sacrifices fat, unfit people make

Bah ha ha ha a!

Ok uptight that is simply histerical. For once you really got me laughing. Still laughing.

And with my little disclaimer of I never ever agree with you about anything , more or less, I will say on this there is little to argue about.

I think people have a semi-valid point that about your motives but honestly, you wear your bias on your sleeve.

If they aren't intellegent enough to see that, and mature enough to ignore it for the 2 minutes it would take to voice a bit of united outrage at such a flagrant mis-justice then I'd consider it a fault of thiers not yours.

Those that would use this as an opportunity to post whatever sort of anti Israeli bs they could dig up ( whether it's true or not, irrellevant ) or make a huge personal attack on you here are lower than low.
I am no fan , but that is disgusting.

cyaround

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SUICIDEGIRL

Maryland, USA

JUL 10, 2006 05:03 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:06 AM

United Kingdom

April 2006

JUL 10, 2006 05:06 AM

Brooklyn, NY

February 2004

JUL 10, 2006 05:08 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:16 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 05:18 AM

Brooklyn, NY

February 2004

JUL 10, 2006 05:20 AM

Quirky

Birmingham, AL

October 2005

JUL 10, 2006 06:01 AM

Italy

OLD SKOOL

JUL 10, 2006 06:25 AM

Anacortes, WA

November 2004

JUL 10, 2006 06:36 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 06:53 AM

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 10, 2006 07:15 AM

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:22 AM

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:25 AM

Houston, TX

December 2004

JUL 10, 2006 07:27 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 09:19 AM

I'm lost

June 2006

JUL 10, 2006 11:01 AM

I'm lost

June 2005

JUL 10, 2006 07:10 PM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 10, 2006 09:57 PM

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 11, 2006 04:34 AM

United Kingdom

April 2006

JUL 11, 2006 10:26 AM

I'm lost

December 2003

JUL 11, 2006 11:36 AM

mathilde74

France

August 2003

JUL 12, 2006 01:58 AM

Key West, FL

August 2005

JUL 12, 2006 12:24 PM

Key West, FL

August 2005