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Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

JUL 04, 2006 04:43 AM

There is no doubt that bush and his cronies committed mass voter fraud and that he is not the duly elected president of the United States.
Sorry about pasting the full article, I don't know where to find a non subscription internet link)



Some 105 million citizens voted in 2000, but in 2004 the turnout climbed to at least 122 million. Pre-election surveys indicated that among the record 16.8 million new voters Kerry was a heavy favorite, a fact that went largely unreported by the press. In addition, there were about two million progressives
who had voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 who switched to Kerry in 2004.

Yet the official 2004 tallies showed Bush with 62 million votes, about 11.6 million more than he got in 2000. Meanwhile Kerry showed only eight million more votes than Gore received in 2000. To have achieved his remarkable 2004 tally, Bush would needed to have kept all his 50.4million from 2000, plus a majority of the new voters, plus a large share of the very liberal Nader defectors.

Nothing in the campaign and in the opinion polls suggest such a mass crossover. The numbers simply do not add up.

In key states like Ohio, the Democrats achieved immense success at registering new voters, outdoing the Republicans by as much as five to one. Moreover the Democratic party was unusually united around its candidate-or certainly against the incumbent president. In contrast, prominent elements within the GOP displayed open disaffection, publicly voicing serious misgivings about the Bush administration's huge budget deficits, reckless foreign policy, theocratic tendencies, and threats to individual liberties.

Sixty newspapers that had endorsed Bush in 2000 refused to do so in2004; forty of them endorsed Kerry.

All through election day 2004, exit polls showed Kerry ahead by 53 to 47percent, giving him a nationwide edge of about 1.5 million votes, and a solid victory in the electoral college. Yet strangely enough, the official tally gave Bush the election. Here are some examples of how the GOP "victory" was secured.

---In some places large numbers of Democratic registration forms disappeared, along with absentee ballots and provisional ballots. Sometimes absentee ballots were mailed out to voters just before election day, too late to be returned on time, or they were never mailed at all.

---Overseas ballots normally reliably distributed by the State Department were for some reason distributed by the Pentagon in 2004.Nearly half of the six million American voters living abroad---a noticeable number of whom formed anti-Bush organizations---never received their ballots or got them too late to vote. Military personnel, usually more inclined toward supporting the president,
encountered no such problems with their overseas ballots.

---Voter Outreach of America, a company funded by the Republican National Committee, collected thousands of voter registration forms in Nevada, promising to turn them in to public officials, but then systematically destroyed the ones belonging to Democrats.

--- Tens of thousands of Democratic voters were stricken from the rolls in several states because of "felonies" never committed, or committed by someone else, or for no given reason. Registration books in Democratic precincts were frequently out-of-date or incomplete.

---Democratic precincts---enjoying record turnouts---were deprived of sufficient numbers of polling stations and voting machines, and many of the machines they had kept breaking down. After waiting long hours many people went home without voting. Pro-Bush precincts almost always had enough voting machines, all working well to make voting quick and convenient.

---A similar pattern was observed with student populations in several states: students at conservative Christian colleges had little or no wait at the polls, while students from liberal arts colleges were forced to line up for as long as ten hours, causing many to give up.

---In Lucas County, Ohio, one polling place never opened; the voting machines were locked in an office and no one could find the key. In Hamilton County many absentee voters could not cast a Democratic vote for president because John Kerry's name had been "accidentally" removed when Ralph Nader was taken off the ballot.

---A polling station in a conservative evangelical church in Miami County, Ohio, recorded an impossibly high turnout of 98 percent, while a polling place in Democratic inner-city Cleveland recorded an impossibly low turnout of 7 percent.

---Latino, Native American, and African American voters in New Mexico who favored Kerry by two to one were five times more likely to have their ballots spoiled and discarded in districts supervised by Republican election officials. Many were given provisional ballots that subsequently were never counted. In these same Democratic areas Bush” won" an astonishing 68 to 31 percent upset victory. One Republican judge in New Mexico discarded hundreds of provisional ballots cast
for Kerry, accepting only those that were for Bush.

---Cadres of rightwing activists, many of them religious fundamentalists, were financed by the Republican Party. Deployed to key Democratic precincts, they handed out flyers warning that voters who had unpaid parking tickets, an arrest record, or owed child support would be arrested at the polls---all untrue. They went door to door offering to” deliver" absentee ballots to the proper office,
and announcing that Republicans were to vote on Tuesday (election day) and Democrats on Wednesday.

---Democratic poll watchers in Ohio, Arizona, and other states, who tried to monitor election night vote counting, were menaced and shut outbid squads of GOP toughs. In Warren County, Ohio, immediately after the polls closed Republican officials announced a "terrorist attack" alert, and ordered the press to leave. They then moved all ballots to a warehouse where the counting was conducted in secret, producing an amazingly high tally for Bush, some 14,000 more votes than he had received in 2000. It wasn't the terrorists who attacked Warren County.

---Bush did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touch screen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush.

---In almost half of New Mexico's counties, more votes were reported than were recorded as being cast, and the tallies were consistently inrush’s favor. These ghostly results were dismissed by New Mexico’s Republican Secretary of State as an "administrative lapse."

Exit polls showed Kerry solidly ahead of Bush in both the popular vote and the electoral college. Exit polls are an exceptionally accurate measure of elections. In the last three elections in Germany, for example, exit polls were never off by more than three-tenths of one percent.

Unlike ordinary opinion polls, the exit sample is drawn from people who have actually just voted. It rules out those who say they will vote but never make it to the polls, those who cannot be sampled because they have no telephone or otherwise cannot be reached at home, those who are undecided or who change their minds about whom to support, and those who are turned away at the polls for one reason or another.

Exit polls have come to be considered so reliable that international organizations use them to validate election results in countries
around the world. Republicans argued that in 2004 the exit polls were inaccurate because they were taken only in the morning when Kerry voters came out in greater numbers. (Apparently Bush voters sleep late.) In fact, the polling was done at random intervals all through the day, and the evening results were as much favoring Kerry as the early results.

It was also argued that pollsters focused more on women (who favored Kerry) than men, or maybe large numbers of grumpy Republicans were less inclined than cheery Democrats to talk to pollsters. No evidence was put forth to substantiate these fanciful speculations.

Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush's advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.

In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.

One explanation for the strange anomalies in vote tallies was found in the widespread use of touch screen electronic voting machines. These machines produced results that consistently favored Bush over Kerry, often in chillingly consistent contradiction to exit polls.

In 2003 more than 900 computer professionals had signed a petition urging that all touch screen systems include a verifiable audit trail. Touch screen voting machines can be easily programmed to go dead on election day or throw votes to the wrong candidate or make votes disappear while leaving the impression that everything is working fine.

A tiny number of operatives can easily access the entire computer network through one machine and thereby change votes at will. The touchscreen machines use trade secret code, and are tested, reviewed, and certified in complete secrecy. Verified counts are impossible because the machines leave no reliable paper trail.

Since the introduction of touch screen voting, mysterious congressional election results have been increasing. In 2000 and 2002, Senate and House contests and state legislative races in North Carolina, Nebraska, Alabama, Minnesota, Colorado, and elsewhere produced dramatic and puzzling upsets, always at the expense of Democrats who were ahead in the polls.

In some counties in Texas, Virginia, and Ohio, voters who pressed the Democrat’s name found that the Republican candidate was chosen. Informal County, Texas, three GOP candidates won by exactly 18,181 votes apiece, a near statistical impossibility.

All of Georgia's voters used Diebold touch screen machines in 2002, and Georgia’s incumbent Democratic governor and incumbent Democratic senator, who were both well ahead in the polls just before the election, lost in amazing double-digit voting shifts.

This may be the most telling datum of all: In New Mexico in 2004 Kerry lost all precincts equipped with touch screen machines, irrespective of income levels, ethnicity, and past voting patterns. The only thing that consistently correlated with his defeat in those precincts was the presence of the touchscreen machine itself.

In Florida Bush registered inexplicably sharp jumps in his vote(compared to 2000) in counties that used touchscreen machines.

Companies like Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S that market the touchscreen machines are owned by militant supporters of the Republican party. These companies have consistently refused to implement a paper-trail to dispel suspicions and give instant validation to the results of electronic voting. They prefer to keep things secret, claiming proprietary rights, a claim that has been backed in
court.

Election officials are not allowed to evaluate the secret software. Apparently corporate trade secrets are more important than voting rights. In effect, corporations have privatized the electoral system, leaving it easily susceptible to fixed outcomes. Given this situation, it is not likely that the GOP will lose control of Congress come November 2006. The two-party monopoly threatens to
become an even worse one-party tyranny.



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abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

JUL 04, 2006 05:09 AM

you know what ?..i know all this shit and yet no one is doing anything about this...and you know what ?..no one is going to do anything about this..so why don't we just quit posting these depressing facts..because...no one is going to do anything about this...no one...no one is going to make this wrong a right..no one...no one gives a damn until it's too late..what's going to change from this article?...nothing..so more people know..what's going to change..absolutely nothing zero...nothing..it just continually pisses me off that no one gives a shit and nothing will change..fuckit all

larsomatic

larsomatic

Kansas City, MO
January 2006

JUL 04, 2006 05:14 AM

"Democracy is the worst form of government there is...except for all the others."
-Winston Churchill

Happy 4th everyone

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 04, 2006 05:57 AM

There is a lot of doubt. Your article is crap with only the thinnest link to reality. Here is the CNN website on the 2004 election. If you go down to the section were they asked if the person had voted before 46% of first time voters voted for Bush. Hardly the "heavy" turnout for Kerry the article claimed.
"But the polls don't match the results!!"
And maybe Truman stole the election also, or maybe voting is more acurate than polls ,which is why we vote instead of just letting polls decide for us.
The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups. Wow! I'm impressed. Now we moved on to the voting machine BS. I'm not even wasting my time. I'll just say no proof, allegations do not a case make, and move on.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 04, 2006 07:00 AM

rearrange the following words into popular phrase or saying:

Loser
Sore





ps. can the journalist who worked on this somehow make the case for England still being in the World Cup?

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

JUL 04, 2006 07:37 AM

bones_708 said:
There is a lot of doubt. Your article is crap with only the thinnest link to reality. Here is the CNN website on the 2004 election. If you go down to the section were they asked if the person had voted before 46% of first time voters voted for Bush. Hardly the "heavy" turnout for Kerry the article claimed.
"But the polls don't match the results!!"
And maybe Truman stole the election also, or maybe voting is more acurate than polls ,which is why we vote instead of just letting polls decide for us.
The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups. Wow! I'm impressed. Now we moved on to the voting machine BS. I'm not even wasting my time. I'll just say no proof, allegations do not a case make, and move on.

So you admit that the GOP did pursue electoral fraud? you just rationalise it by saying 'the dems committed fraud too' esxcept you don't substantiate that allegation in any way.
Why don't you try to refute the actual claims made in the article? How come all the errors and mistakes were all in favour of Bush?
Exit polls are different from other kinds of electoral polls, they only ask people who have just voted, unless millions of Bush voters lied and told the pollsters that they voted for kerry when they had really voted for bush, then there is no explanation for why the margin of error was so massive.

If you don't think there was massive massive fraud in the last election then you are utterly deluded or completely dishonest

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

JUL 04, 2006 07:47 AM

I agree with most of the stuff except the stuff at the beginning, a fraction bushes base of previously apathetic non-voting fundamentalist Christians had decided at the last minute in 2000 not to vote. They then voted in the 02 and 04 elections. There was a huge new voter turnout before the 04 elections, but not all of them were voting for change like historically new registrants do.
Also, Nader got less than 3% of the vote in 2000.

They won by cheating in Florida (that old gag), Pennsylvania, and Ohio. In Ohio, the state broke actual laws like violating the voters rights act (not just hanging chads and confusing ballots or voter rolls), and after the election Blackwell, the Sec of State of Ohio, broke several laws that de-facto labelled the violations legally as voter fraud, no two ways about it. (Such as barring certain auditors from certain buildings holding election records at certain times)

In Florida it was the same old same old unfair and crookedness, and Pennsylvania is where bush got his "mandate", the final tally was for Kerry at somewhere like 50% Kerry, 48% Bush, when most people believe the margin was much higher, as the polls flipped overnight.

Then there is still the accomplices in the general media, as a collection of companies, refuse to release the actual unadjusted countrywide exit poll data. On the Tee-vee they showed it the night of the election, then "adjusted" what they called the exit poll data to coincide with the voter poll data coming in. Every network did this, and since the exit polling was done by a private company and collectively contracted by all of the major television news agencies, they have since consciously refused to let anyone have the data, despite this data being available after the election in every presidential and congressional election since they have done main stream television exit polling.
If they have nothing to hide, why refuse to release the numbers.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUL 04, 2006 09:43 AM

Akrasia said:

bones_708 said:
There is a lot of doubt. Your article is crap with only the thinnest link to reality. Here is the CNN website on the 2004 election. If you go down to the section were they asked if the person had voted before 46% of first time voters voted for Bush. Hardly the "heavy" turnout for Kerry the article claimed.
"But the polls don't match the results!!"
And maybe Truman stole the election also, or maybe voting is more acurate than polls ,which is why we vote instead of just letting polls decide for us.
The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups. Wow! I'm impressed. Now we moved on to the voting machine BS. I'm not even wasting my time. I'll just say no proof, allegations do not a case make, and move on.

So you admit that the GOP did pursue electoral fraud? you just rationalise it by saying 'the dems committed fraud too' esxcept you don't substantiate that allegation in any way.
Why don't you try to refute the actual claims made in the article? How come all the errors and mistakes were all in favour of Bush?
Exit polls are different from other kinds of electoral polls, they only ask people who have just voted, unless millions of Bush voters lied and told the pollsters that they voted for kerry when they had really voted for bush, then there is no explanation for why the margin of error was so massive.

If you don't think there was massive massive fraud in the last election then you are utterly deluded or completely dishonest



You know, I'm not going to say that I think that people didn't fuck around with some shit in 2004, because I have no doubt that they did--but Akrasia, the article you've posted has overblown it as far as extent, most likely, but definitely as far as visibility. In a lot of instances the numbers did add up, unfortunately--or at least, they added up enough so that Sen. Kerry, after enlisting a fairly large team of election lawyers and pollsters and voting pattern analysts and experts, didn't feel that he had solid enough grounds on which to challenge the election results. The fact that the losing candidate himself, as well as his team of experts, couldn't come to any conclusion other than that the grounds weren't solid enough seems worth noting to me.

Now, I don't know what you think of Sen. Kerry personally, but I think most can agree that he's shown himself to have at least basic intelligence. He seems literate and decently spoken and not generally any dumber than Bush at the very least. I would be hard pressed to call him an idiot. I likely wouldn't call all of those lawyers and pollsters and analysts and experts idiots, either; I'd find it difficult to justify a decision to write off everything that they've said about the 2004 elections, being that they've been educated about voting and elections far more than I have. I certainly wouldn't call any of them unmotivated to see the election go for Kerry instead of Bush. Do you really think that if there had been that much obvious discrepancy, Kerry wouldn't have challenged the results? Honestly? Because I know for an absolute fact that he would have, if there had been solid enough grounds to do so. He fully intended to do so if, after looking at the data gathered by these experts, he saw solid enough evidence that election fraud significantly altered the results of the election to the extent that the people had chosen Kerry but the election results "chose" Bush. In fact, any decent public servant would realize that he/she had a duty to challenge obviously fradulent election results; it's part and parcel of his/her having sworn to "support and defend the Constitution" when he/she took the oath of office. Regardless of what the average decent public servant should do, I know for a fact that Kerry would have done so. However, the fact is that Kerry looked at the information available and could come to no other conclusion than that the grounds on which he could challenge the election results just weren't solid enough to warrant doing so. If the discrepancies were as massive and as obvious as this article has claimed, there is no way that he would have failed to challenge the results.

It was a close election, no doubt. And there was some sketchy, sketchy shit that went on, no doubt. I fully agree with you there. Unlike bones_708, I do believe that there is some significant evidence that voting procedures were tampered with, usually to the detriment of Democratic candidates. However, I agree with bones_708 to the extent that I think that to claim that Bush blatantly stole another election and that everyone, including Kerry, just ignored it or something just isn't accurate. Polls don't always indicate the outcome accurately, especially when elections are close, and in examining the results afterward many pollsters themselves concluded that any discrepancies between polls and actual results weren't big enough to fully exclude the possibility of polling error. Rest assured that if there had been solid enough grounds to challenge the results, Sen. Kerry would have--but those grounds just weren't solid enough.


Additionally,

SirPsychoSexy said:

Then there is still the accomplices in the general media, as a collection of companies, refuse to release the actual unadjusted countrywide exit poll data.



If I may ask, what's your source for that? I haven't heard that at all.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 04, 2006 11:55 AM

Akrasia said:

bones_708 said:
There is a lot of doubt. Your article is crap with only the thinnest link to reality. Here is the CNN website on the 2004 election. If you go down to the section were they asked if the person had voted before 46% of first time voters voted for Bush. Hardly the "heavy" turnout for Kerry the article claimed.
"But the polls don't match the results!!"
And maybe Truman stole the election also, or maybe voting is more accurate than polls ,which is why we vote instead of just letting polls decide for us.
The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups. Wow! I'm impressed. Now we moved on to the voting machine BS. I'm not even wasting my time. I'll just say no proof, allegations do not a case make, and move on.

So you admit that the GOP did pursue electoral fraud? you just rationalise it by saying 'the dems committed fraud too' esxcept you don't substantiate that allegation in any way.
Why don't you try to refute the actual claims made in the article? How come all the errors and mistakes were all in favour of Bush?
Exit polls are different from other kinds of electoral polls, they only ask people who have just voted, unless millions of Bush voters lied and told the pollsters that they voted for kerry when they had really voted for bush, then there is no explanation for why the margin of error was so massive.

If you don't think there was massive massive fraud in the last election then you are utterly deluded or completely dishonest



I admit there was fraud and illegal activities and I think people that were members of both parties took part in those activities. I tell you what when you break it down and post links to the republican frauds I will for the democratic ones but I will give a quick list.

* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.

* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.

* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.

* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.

* Joint task force in Wisconsin found clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee, including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.

* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.

* Former ACORN worker said there was a lot of fraud committed by groups in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.

Happy you posted a list now I posted one. Of course as is neither one means shit. You don't post links to the data the conclusions were drawn from just the conclusions. I know what exit polls are and they are not 100% accurate. You ask a few of the people walking out and extrapolate the result. Since even the most accurate exit poll gives at least 3% margin we are well inside that margin. They do not ask every person and keep a second accurate total so no one would have to lie for them to be off. They just need a bad batch. I'll believe Bush stole the election when someone has proof, right not it's a bunch of whinny fruitcakes who foam at the mouth when they hear Bush's name.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

JUL 04, 2006 12:02 PM

What can be done? If the peoples votes don't count then we don't live in a true democracy (actually we don't, we live in a REPUBLIC, lacking any true representation).

Bah, that's it I'm not going to vote anymore, thanks!

[Resisting apathetic self-destructive suicidal response...]

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

JUL 04, 2006 12:07 PM

bones_708 said:
stuff



You're absolutely correct, which is why I'm sure that you'll welcome international observers during the next election.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 04, 2006 12:09 PM

Andvari said:

bones_708 said:
stuff



You're absolutely correct, which is why I'm sure that you'll welcome international observers during the next election.



Right after we go north and run your elections.

stuzzy

stuzzy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

JUL 04, 2006 12:37 PM

fuck elections! we should just have a giant rumble on election day, winner take all!

quagmirething

quagmirething

I'm lost
June 2005

JUL 04, 2006 01:17 PM

bones_708 said:

Andvari said:
You're absolutely correct, which is why I'm sure that you'll welcome international observers during the next election.



Right after we go north and run your elections.


I'd expect any country with an accountable voting system to be happy to have international observers. Part of US foreign policy had been asking that observers be permitted elsewhere, it's an issue that comes up time and again. What's the down side of setting an example?

vampiresoldier

vampiresoldier

Oakland, CA
March 2004

JUL 04, 2006 03:26 PM

Who gives a fuck anymore? We are fucking stuck with W for 2 more years...

fuctupkornfan

fuctupkornfan

Belgium
December 2005

JUL 07, 2006 01:21 AM

Yeah.... BIG surprise. thank you Diebold

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUL 08, 2006 03:19 PM

stuzzy said:
fuck elections! we should just have a giant rumble on election day, winner take all!



Some would argue that we kind of do, particularly as of late.

signine

signine

Sacramento, CA
June 2003

JUL 08, 2006 03:29 PM

There was certainly a lot of fraud in the 2004 elections, but they were still very very close, it's likely Kerry would have lost the Electoriat anyway. If you want to put any single factor to blame for what happened in the 2004 elections, blame the DNC and all the idiots who voted for Kerry in the primaries. The man has anti-charisma, and face it, 40% of registered voters always vote down the party line, another 40% are ill-informed and just vote for the most "likeable," and the rest are still only half-clued.

Essentially, the biggest problem with the American political system isn't fraud, it's a lazy and ill-informed populous.

MschfMayhemSoap

MschfMayhemSoap

Phoenix, AZ
April 2006

JUL 08, 2006 03:37 PM

Its offical.... both parties Suck!! Anyone wanna start a new one.... and go all the way with it without getting assiilated by either the Republicans OR Democrats come the primarys.....

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUL 08, 2006 05:29 PM

bones_708 said:
There is a lot of doubt. Your article is crap with only the thinnest link to reality. Here is the CNN website on the 2004 election. If you go down to the section were they asked if the person had voted before 46% of first time voters voted for Bush. Hardly the "heavy" turnout for Kerry the article claimed.
"But the polls don't match the results!!"
And maybe Truman stole the election also, or maybe voting is more acurate than polls ,which is why we vote instead of just letting polls decide for us.
The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups. Wow! I'm impressed. Now we moved on to the voting machine BS. I'm not even wasting my time. I'll just say no proof, allegations do not a case make, and move on.




Well yeah, because CNN is infallible.

voron

voron

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 09, 2006 02:37 AM

bones_708 said:

The article lists a number of alleged voter fraud cases perpetrated by republicans, but of course leaves out those committed by democratic and affiliated groups.



Instances of which are overwhelming. Democrats are by far the biggest perpetrators of election fraud going back a long, long, long time. Just during the 2004 there were many instances of thuggery by Democrats, from sabotaging GOP vans, attacking campaign offices (everything from invading them to shooting their windows out), Democrat officials in St. Louis were convicted of attempted murder against their political opponents. And this was all just in 2004.

The Democratic/union/mafia machines are legendary, and the only reason JFK beat Nixon in 1960.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 09, 2006 05:14 AM

Ubiquitous_Waz said:
Little do you know... i'm an expert on retarded.



That's obvious to anyone who you inflict your posts on.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

JUL 09, 2006 05:18 AM

MisterLinguist said:
Well yeah, because CNN is infallible.



Sorry
i know random wiseass is a much more reliable source but you don't don't seem to have a website.


Wait here it is, but you don't seem to have anything on the election.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

JUL 09, 2006 07:09 AM

Elections have always been fucked with.

The question is was the 2004 election fucked with in ways that had a substantive effect on the outcome.

People screwing the vans in Wisconsin is less than likely to do that.

People distorting a count by thousands of votes is more likely to do that.

I believe that there is reason to suspect that the Republicans did precisely that in 2004.

But it is water under the bridge. The main thing is to make sure that they don't do it again in 2006.

DanTheGreater

DanTheGreater

Anacortes, WA
November 2004

JUL 09, 2006 11:56 PM

Akrasia said:
There is no doubt that bush and his cronies committed mass voter fraud and that he is not the duly elected president of the United States.
Sorry about pasting the full article, I don't know where to find a non subscription internet link)



Some 105 million citizens voted in 2000, but in 2004 the turnout climbed to at least 122 million. Pre-election surveys indicated that among the record 16.8 million new voters Kerry was a heavy favorite, a fact that went largely unreported by the press. In addition, there were about two million progressives
who had voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 who switched to Kerry in 2004.

Yet the official 2004 tallies showed Bush with 62 million votes, about 11.6 million more than he got in 2000. Meanwhile Kerry showed only eight million more votes than Gore received in 2000. To have achieved his remarkable 2004 tally, Bush would needed to have kept all his 50.4million from 2000, plus a majority of the new voters, plus a large share of the very liberal Nader defectors.

Nothing in the campaign and in the opinion polls suggest such a mass crossover. The numbers simply do not add up.

In key states like Ohio, the Democrats achieved immense success at registering new voters, outdoing the Republicans by as much as five to one. Moreover the Democratic party was unusually united around its candidate-or certainly against the incumbent president. In contrast, prominent elements within the GOP displayed open disaffection, publicly voicing serious misgivings about the Bush administration's huge budget deficits, reckless foreign policy, theocratic tendencies, and threats to individual liberties.

Sixty newspapers that had endorsed Bush in 2000 refused to do so in2004; forty of them endorsed Kerry.

All through election day 2004, exit polls showed Kerry ahead by 53 to 47percent, giving him a nationwide edge of about 1.5 million votes, and a solid victory in the electoral college. Yet strangely enough, the official tally gave Bush the election. Here are some examples of how the GOP "victory" was secured.

---In some places large numbers of Democratic registration forms disappeared, along with absentee ballots and provisional ballots. Sometimes absentee ballots were mailed out to voters just before election day, too late to be returned on time, or they were never mailed at all.

---Overseas ballots normally reliably distributed by the State Department were for some reason distributed by the Pentagon in 2004.Nearly half of the six million American voters living abroad---a noticeable number of whom formed anti-Bush organizations---never received their ballots or got them too late to vote. Military personnel, usually more inclined toward supporting the president,
encountered no such problems with their overseas ballots.

---Voter Outreach of America, a company funded by the Republican National Committee, collected thousands of voter registration forms in Nevada, promising to turn them in to public officials, but then systematically destroyed the ones belonging to Democrats.

--- Tens of thousands of Democratic voters were stricken from the rolls in several states because of "felonies" never committed, or committed by someone else, or for no given reason. Registration books in Democratic precincts were frequently out-of-date or incomplete.

---Democratic precincts---enjoying record turnouts---were deprived of sufficient numbers of polling stations and voting machines, and many of the machines they had kept breaking down. After waiting long hours many people went home without voting. Pro-Bush precincts almost always had enough voting machines, all working well to make voting quick and convenient.

---A similar pattern was observed with student populations in several states: students at conservative Christian colleges had little or no wait at the polls, while students from liberal arts colleges were forced to line up for as long as ten hours, causing many to give up.

---In Lucas County, Ohio, one polling place never opened; the voting machines were locked in an office and no one could find the key. In Hamilton County many absentee voters could not cast a Democratic vote for president because John Kerry's name had been "accidentally" removed when Ralph Nader was taken off the ballot.

---A polling station in a conservative evangelical church in Miami County, Ohio, recorded an impossibly high turnout of 98 percent, while a polling place in Democratic inner-city Cleveland recorded an impossibly low turnout of 7 percent.

---Latino, Native American, and African American voters in New Mexico who favored Kerry by two to one were five times more likely to have their ballots spoiled and discarded in districts supervised by Republican election officials. Many were given provisional ballots that subsequently were never counted. In these same Democratic areas Bush” won" an astonishing 68 to 31 percent upset victory. One Republican judge in New Mexico discarded hundreds of provisional ballots cast
for Kerry, accepting only those that were for Bush.

---Cadres of rightwing activists, many of them religious fundamentalists, were financed by the Republican Party. Deployed to key Democratic precincts, they handed out flyers warning that voters who had unpaid parking tickets, an arrest record, or owed child support would be arrested at the polls---all untrue. They went door to door offering to” deliver" absentee ballots to the proper office,
and announcing that Republicans were to vote on Tuesday (election day) and Democrats on Wednesday.

---Democratic poll watchers in Ohio, Arizona, and other states, who tried to monitor election night vote counting, were menaced and shut outbid squads of GOP toughs. In Warren County, Ohio, immediately after the polls closed Republican officials announced a "terrorist attack" alert, and ordered the press to leave. They then moved all ballots to a warehouse where the counting was conducted in secret, producing an amazingly high tally for Bush, some 14,000 more votes than he had received in 2000. It wasn't the terrorists who attacked Warren County.

---Bush did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touch screen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush.

---In almost half of New Mexico's counties, more votes were reported than were recorded as being cast, and the tallies were consistently inrush’s favor. These ghostly results were dismissed by New Mexico’s Republican Secretary of State as an "administrative lapse."

Exit polls showed Kerry solidly ahead of Bush in both the popular vote and the electoral college. Exit polls are an exceptionally accurate measure of elections. In the last three elections in Germany, for example, exit polls were never off by more than three-tenths of one percent.

Unlike ordinary opinion polls, the exit sample is drawn from people who have actually just voted. It rules out those who say they will vote but never make it to the polls, those who cannot be sampled because they have no telephone or otherwise cannot be reached at home, those who are undecided or who change their minds about whom to support, and those who are turned away at the polls for one reason or another.

Exit polls have come to be considered so reliable that international organizations use them to validate election results in countries
around the world. Republicans argued that in 2004 the exit polls were inaccurate because they were taken only in the morning when Kerry voters came out in greater numbers. (Apparently Bush voters sleep late.) In fact, the polling was done at random intervals all through the day, and the evening results were as much favoring Kerry as the early results.

It was also argued that pollsters focused more on women (who favored Kerry) than men, or maybe large numbers of grumpy Republicans were less inclined than cheery Democrats to talk to pollsters. No evidence was put forth to substantiate these fanciful speculations.

Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush's advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.

In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.

One explanation for the strange anomalies in vote tallies was found in the widespread use of touch screen electronic voting machines. These machines produced results that consistently favored Bush over Kerry, often in chillingly consistent contradiction to exit polls.

In 2003 more than 900 computer professionals had signed a petition urging that all touch screen systems include a verifiable audit trail. Touch screen voting machines can be easily programmed to go dead on election day or throw votes to the wrong candidate or make votes disappear while leaving the impression that everything is working fine.

A tiny number of operatives can easily access the entire computer network through one machine and thereby change votes at will. The touchscreen machines use trade secret code, and are tested, reviewed, and certified in complete secrecy. Verified counts are impossible because the machines leave no reliable paper trail.

Since the introduction of touch screen voting, mysterious congressional election results have been increasing. In 2000 and 2002, Senate and House contests and state legislative races in North Carolina, Nebraska, Alabama, Minnesota, Colorado, and elsewhere produced dramatic and puzzling upsets, always at the expense of Democrats who were ahead in the polls.

In some counties in Texas, Virginia, and Ohio, voters who pressed the Democrat’s name found that the Republican candidate was chosen. Informal County, Texas, three GOP candidates won by exactly 18,181 votes apiece, a near statistical impossibility.

All of Georgia's voters used Diebold touch screen machines in 2002, and Georgia’s incumbent Democratic governor and incumbent Democratic senator, who were both well ahead in the polls just before the election, lost in amazing double-digit voting shifts.

This may be the most telling datum of all: In New Mexico in 2004 Kerry lost all precincts equipped with touch screen machines, irrespective of income levels, ethnicity, and past voting patterns. The only thing that consistently correlated with his defeat in those precincts was the presence of the touchscreen machine itself.

In Florida Bush registered inexplicably sharp jumps in his vote(compared to 2000) in counties that used touchscreen machines.

Companies like Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S that market the touchscreen machines are owned by militant supporters of the Republican party. These companies have consistently refused to implement a paper-trail to dispel suspicions and give instant validation to the results of electronic voting. They prefer to keep things secret, claiming proprietary rights, a claim that has been backed in
court.

Election officials are not allowed to evaluate the secret software. Apparently corporate trade secrets are more important than voting rights. In effect, corporations have privatized the electoral system, leaving it easily susceptible to fixed outcomes. Given this situation, it is not likely that the GOP will lose control of Congress come November 2006. The two-party monopoly threatens to
become an even worse one-party tyranny.



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Do you honestly believe this garbage? Kerry (just like Gore before him) attacked the election results with recounts and lawyers. If there was honest to god proof of voter fraud by the Reps you don't think we would have heard about it on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/MSNBS/etc. 24 hours a day 7 days a week from then till now? If this were actually true we would STILL be getting stroies about it on the nightly news, but we don't because Kerry was just a sore loser. And a boring one to boot.

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