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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 02, 2006 12:19 AM

On Monday’s Hardball MSNBC reporter David Shuster dropped a bomb: That ex-CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson was working on Iran at the time she was outed.

According to intelligence sources, Plame Wilson, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of WMD technology to and from Iran. Wow, that actually sounds important, maybe the White House shouldn’t have outed her since they are so worried about Iran pursuing nukes.

Shuster:

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.


Karl Rove met for the fifth time last week with the grand jury in the investigation into the leak. The fat boy is squirming.

Early in the case, Rove admitted to investigators that he outed Valerie Wilson’s identity to columnist Robert Novak - Novak was the first journalist to publish Wilson’s identity and the first to talk about it to investigators.

And last week, Karl Rove testified again he may have spoken about the Wilson’s with time magazine’s Matt Cooper.


Don’t they call that treason? And can’t you hang for treason? So, can we execute Karl Rove if he is guilty?

Raw Story broke this in February yet it is the first time anyone in the mainstream media has even commented on it. Thanks for coming around.

zoton

zoton

Kuwait
November 2005

MAY 02, 2006 08:07 AM

business as usual

OpticNerve

OpticNerve

Arlington, MA
November 2003

MAY 02, 2006 08:12 AM

Too bad this information didn't come up during the election, when Dubya was painting himself as the candidate who would protect Americans from foreign threats. Great job, you corn-husking, fake-Texas-drawl affectating, draft-dodging boob. mad

[Edited on May 02, 2006 8:12AM]

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAY 02, 2006 08:25 AM

no, no. this is good news. with her outed we dont have to use diplomacy and we can use some super neat mini mukes.







i mean, puke

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAY 02, 2006 08:44 AM

FearTheReaper said:
On Monday’s Hardball MSNBC reporter David Shuster dropped a bomb: .


Linky no worky.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 02, 2006 09:15 AM

Link fixed smile

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 09:41 AM

FearTheReaper said:
On Monday’s Hardball MSNBC reporter David Shuster dropped a bomb: That ex-CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson was working on Iran at the time she was outed.



Note: working "on" - not working "in". Plame was not a covert agent in the field.

According to intelligence sources, Plame Wilson, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of WMD technology to and from Iran. Wow, that actually sounds important, maybe the White House shouldn’t have outed her since they are so worried about Iran pursuing nukes.



Maybe they were worried that her husband might find some secrets and write an op-ed piece in the press about it.

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.



I'm sure they found someone else to sharpen the office pencils and make the tea.

Vampirate

Vampirate

Durham, NC
October 2004

MAY 02, 2006 09:41 AM

Were I for the death penalty (which I am not), I would still only support it for people who are evil to their very cores, and Karl Rove would sure be at the top of that list.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAY 02, 2006 09:58 AM

UpTight said:

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.



I'm sure they found someone else to sharpen the office pencils and make the tea.




nice mysogny there. so, she was only doing womans work? any proof there?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 02, 2006 10:00 AM

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.



I'm sure they found someone else to sharpen the office pencils and make the tea.




nice mysogny there. so, she was only doing womans work? any proof there?


To be fair, "pencils and tea" is the top position in the British Military.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 10:16 AM

Actually - breaking from form - this post is actually quite newsworthy.... although not neccessarily for reasons that FearTheRehash might have intended.

Firstly, the pretext for revealing yet another secret CIA operation is disgusting. It is of minor relevence what case Plame was working on - the operation would have continued without her.

Of course, now that MSNBC has joined the Washington Post and the New York Times in their efforts to provide secrets to enemies of the USA, the operation is truly scuppered.

Good work!

Now we can just sit back and await the CNN/ABC/LA Times "whiste blowing", "public interest" expose of Stealth Bomber technology.

Secondly, who in the Intelligence community blabbed? And more importantly, were they part of the Liberal Plame/Wilson/McCarthy/Priest/William Goodfellow cocktail set?

Porter Goss has more house cleaning to do,

[Edited on May 02, 2006 by UpTight]

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 10:17 AM

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.



I'm sure they found someone else to sharpen the office pencils and make the tea.




nice mysogny there. so, she was only doing womans work? any proof there?



I never mentioned "women's work" - I was just snarkily saying that Plame was in admin rather than some bigger agent in the field whose safety had been severely compromised.

The linking of menial admin to "women's work" is merely your own misogyny on display



[Edited on May 02, 2006 by UpTight]

Westley

Westley

Vatican City
April 2004

MAY 02, 2006 10:31 AM

UpTight said:
Actually - breaking from form - this post is actually quite newsworthy.... although not neccessarily for reasons that FearTheRehash might have intended.

Firstly, the pretext for revealing yet another secret CIA operation is disgusting. It is of minor relevence what case Plame was working on - the operation would have continued without her.
[Edited on May 02, 2006 by UpTight]


Ruh roh, Iran knows we are looking in on them

Didn't anyone tell MSNBC that loose lips sink ships?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 10:33 AM

oyaji said:
The inescapable reality demostrated by this bit of news is that this adminstration cares more about petty politics and avoiding responsibility for its manifold fuck-ups than the safety of the nation.



We still don't know who leaked Plame's name to the press. It was certainly known before Libby was supposed to have mentioned it.

It's great to see leftist priorities on display though.

We have a leak about the secret investigation of Iraqi nuclear enquiries.

We have a leak about CIA interrogation of Al Qaeda lunatics

We have a leak that reveals how NSA spies on Al Qaeda sleeper agents in the USA

We now have a leak about a secret investigation of Iran's nuclear ambitions

Four recent, high profile leaks that only benefit Islamist enemies (oh - and help one Liberal journalist get a Pulitzer)....

yet these all betrayals are seen as heroic by the left while the comparatively meaningless, trivial "leaking" of the name of a CIA clerical officer (to a press corps who already knew it) is seen as worthy of capital punishment!

If ever there was a microcosm of the stupid, warped values of the left it is this

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 02, 2006 10:37 AM

UpTight said:
Actually - breaking from form - this post is actually quite newsworthy.... although not neccessarily for reasons that FearTheRehash might have intended.

Firstly, the pretext for revealing yet another secret CIA operation is disgusting. It is of minor relevence what case Plame was working on - the operation would have continued without her.

Of course, now that MSNBC has joined the Washington Post and the New York Times in their efforts to provide secrets to enemies of the USA, the operation is truly scuppered.

Good work!

Now we can just sit back and await the CNN/ABC/LA Times "whiste blowing", "public interest" expose of Stealth Bomber technology.

Secondly, who in the Intelligence community blabbed? And more importantly, were they part of the Liberal Plame/Wilson/McCarthy/Priest/William Goodfellow cocktail set?

Porter Goss has more house cleaning to do,

[Edited on May 02, 2006 by UpTight]



UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well


Brewster-Jennings & Associates was a CIA fiction, created to provide cover for agents like Valerie Plame.

The problem, says Marcinkowski, is that exposing Brewster-Jennings could lead foreign intelligence agencies to other spies. “There is a possibility that there were other agents that would use that same kind of a cover. So they may have been using Brewster-Jennings just like her.”
....
Valerie Plame was also exposed as a “NOC,” an agent working under non-official cover. That means she wasn’t attached to a U.S. Embassy or any other government agency when she worked overseas, which would have provided her protection if she was caught spying. In other words, she had no diplomatic immunity.

Working overseas as an NOC, without official cover, was a dangerous assignment, says Marcinkowski. “With diplomatic immunity, the worst that can happen is you get kicked out of the country. You don't have that kind of a protection when you're a NOC. You're out there, what they would call naked.”

“Out there” like Hugh Redmond, a NOC who was caught spying in Shanghai in 1951 and died after 19 years in a Chinese prison. To this day, the CIA denies he was an agent.
...
“We give our most sensitive cases to those officers serving under non-official cover,” explains Melissa Mahle, who spent 14 years in the Middle East as a covert CIA operative maintaining a series of fictitious “legends,” or cover stories, created by her superiors.
People have said, ‘Oh, well, Valerie wasn't serving in a sensitive position. So it's not really that serious.’


THAT’S YOU, UPTIGHT! An ex-CIA operative is actually talking to YOU! I wonder if you know more than an ex-CIA operative. I bet you do, after all you read Ann Coulter.

Well, I would say that's a very fallacious way of looking at this because a cover is for a clandestine officer can be different things at different times. We change cover. We modify cover based on how we need it,” says Mahle. “If you start to unravel one part of that, you can unravel the whole thing.”

Mahle says Valerie was working on important national security issues, like keeping tabs on nuclear material and the world’s top nuclear scientists. “She is an expert on weapons of mass destruction. These are the kind of people that don't grow on trees.”

The CIA has yet to conduct a formal damage assessment. The agency wanted to wait until the investigation by the special prosecutor was over.



Again and as usual, you are wrong. This time it is just more horribly obvious than other times. Now, spin it around to Isreal somehow.

And I will not respond again. There is no point. I have won this argument, some would even say in a crushing fashion.

[Edited on May 02, 2006 10:38AM]

demonesskage

demonesskage

Oakland, CA
July 2004

MAY 02, 2006 10:38 AM

Vampirate said:
Were I for the death penalty (which I am not), I would still only support it for people who are evil to their very cores, and Karl Rove would sure be at the top of that list.



Truer words have yet to be spoken. For this I give hearty and enthusiastic plus alpha ad infinitum!

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 10:41 AM

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 10:51 AM

FearTheReaper said:



Brewster-Jennings & Associates was a CIA fiction, created to provide cover for agents like Valerie Plame.

The problem, says Marcinkowski, is that exposing Brewster-Jennings could lead foreign intelligence agencies to other spies. “There is a possibility that there were other agents that would use that same kind of a cover. So they may have been using Brewster-Jennings just like her.”
....
Valerie Plame was also exposed as a “NOC,” an agent working under non-official cover. That means she wasn’t attached to a U.S. Embassy or any other government agency when she worked overseas, which would have provided her protection if she was caught spying. In other words, she had no diplomatic immunity.



so which nightmare hotspot was Plame based in when her cover was blown (by the Liberal press)?

Tehran?
Tripoli?
Damascus?

er...

Virginia?

Westley

Westley

Vatican City
April 2004

MAY 02, 2006 11:03 AM

UpTight said:

so which nightmare hotspot was Plame based in when her cover was blown (by the Liberal press)?

Tehran?
Tripoli?
Damascus?

er...

Virginia?


Which secret was provided to enemies of the USA? That the CIA spies on Iran?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 11:36 AM

oyaji said:

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.



It's far more accurate and reliable than this administration. 60 minutes has been around for decades. Decades. Journalists make mistakes every now and then. At least 60 minutes apologizes when it makes mistakes.

Anyhow, attacking the source, as you well know, does not discredit the substance of the argument.



There was no substance. Plame had a desk job in Langley. Her job title doesn't change that.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

MAY 02, 2006 11:38 AM

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.


Who do you want to report the news, Albion?

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

MAY 02, 2006 11:53 AM

MisterLinguist said:

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.


Who do you want to report the news, Albion?


That's an easy one: cut-and-paste hate site proprietor, Charles Johnson, of course. He prefers "news" that is highly biggoted, dishonest, intellectually soft (on a good day), hysterical, entirely fear-based, and wildly innacurate. It's ok though because the "news" proffered by Johnson's rabid retards confirms all of his predetermined biases and perfered slants on the issues - factual analysis be damned. Don't think; just receive validation from the echo-chamber. It's pretty easy to determine, as every "story" or reply he posts originates from Little Green Fascists, about 24 to 36 hours after the fact (in an attempt to make it appear that he did his own research and formulated his own "arguments.").

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

MAY 02, 2006 12:14 PM

UpTight said:

oyaji said:

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.



It's far more accurate and reliable than this administration. 60 minutes has been around for decades. Decades. Journalists make mistakes every now and then. At least 60 minutes apologizes when it makes mistakes.

Anyhow, attacking the source, as you well know, does not discredit the substance of the argument.



There was no substance. Plame had a desk job in Langley. Her job title doesn't change that.


A desk job that she can now no longer do, UpTight, because she no longer has the cover she needs to do it. And her expertise in the field in which she was working was nigh irreplacable. Did you read the article? Okay, no, blowing her cover wasn't going to get her shot in the face, but it WAS damaging to national security.

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

MAY 02, 2006 12:22 PM

PointBlank said:

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:

Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson’s cover was blown, the administration’s ability to track Iran’s nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.



I'm sure they found someone else to sharpen the office pencils and make the tea.




nice mysogny there. so, she was only doing womans work? any proof there?


To be fair, "pencils and tea" is the top position in the British Military.



Yes, but the SAS is trained in over three thousand different methods of killing people using only pencils and a cup of tea. It's different.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAY 02, 2006 12:33 PM

MisterLinguist said:

UpTight said:

FearTheReaper said:

UpTight, I never respond to your messages as you seem to suffer from a severe case of willful ignorance. But in response to Valerie Plame not being in a position that was important and then spinning, in a horrendously retarded fashion, to make Wilson the bad guy,
well



Yeah - cos CBS 60 Minutes is just sooooo damn reliable, unbiased and jam packed with journalistic integrity.


Who do you want to report the news, Albion?



Someone who isn't biased. Someone who has a broad mind and a tolerant attitude. Someone with the intellectual freedom to swing between parties and accepted norms.

That's why I only listen to Pat Robertson.

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