NEWS: Success! Only 20,000 Kidnapped in Iraq Since January

this really puts the anal into analogy

The allies didn't go to Iraq to create the terrorist blight but to stop a mafia clique from torturing the country and threatening the world.

The terrorists didn't enter because, thanks to the allies, they were sudden free to do. They went in to stop Iraq from becoming a democracy.

They failed - Iraq has a democratic process now and large voter turnouts, despite the threats, underline their failure.

If you express regret about the invasion of Iraq, you not are only condemning the terrorist actions but everything else that goes with it - the freedom to practice a religion, the routing of Saddam and his monsterous sons, a free press, free speech, freedom to protest and the establishment of democracy.

Think about that as you sip your tea in the comfort of Australia.


[Edited on Apr 26, 2006 by UpTight]

I did say "undefined", kemosabe

A better analogy, I suppose, would be a government deciding to renovate a maximum security prison without bothering to make plans for securing that gaping hole in the wall, then wondering what went wrong after all the prisoners escape.

Sticking feathers up your arse doesn't make you a chicken; walking into a garage doesn't make you a car; a country holding an election doesn't make it democratic.

I am confident, however, that Iraq will be democratic...in 70 or 80 years.

What?

I didn't free all the murderers to cause mayhem.

I'm an idealist, man.

*sips tea*

that is basically the right wing warmonger mindset in a nutshell.

oh and in relation to the number of dead in iraq, Never let facts get in the way of a good wank.. Not that the number of dead in iraq would bother someone like you, there could be a million dead and decaying bodies in Baghdad's mass graves and you'd still defend everything the bush government has done.

You are being idiotic. If I go to someone's house to stop a burglary and in doing so I start I fire, I am responsible for what the flames do, even if I am not the flames.

You are being idiotic. They enter because they can. And they are doing what religious sects have done from time immemorial - slaughter each other. They are doing it because the US did not place enough troops in the country to handle the aftemath of the invasion - I don't think the invasion should have been done, but if it is going to be, it should have been done right.

You are being idiotic. Iran has a "democratic process" too. Is that what you want all these lives sacrificed for?

You are being idiotic. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake. To say that is simply to say that there were other ways to achieve democratic ends besides through military intervention. And to date all the has really been accomplished is the end of Saddam's rule. The other things you mention are spotty at best and in some cases, for many people, worse than before. For billions of dollars and thousands of lives, what we will end up with is Iran, the sequel.

He says whilst sipping tea in the comfort of England.

And PS, you are being idiotic. I never once said the invasion was "for" Israel, in fact I specifically said it was not "for" Israel.

Nice strawman though.

Oh, yeah, in case you didn't get it, you are being idiotic.

[Edited on Apr 27, 2006 by NickFaust]

pre-fucking-cisely

now you're starting to get it

maybe - but at least I'm not a middleaged, rich, white lawyer in a PLO mask.

well since the left abandonned fighting fascism circa Franco.....

there fucking are....well near enough....they are called "victims of Saddam"


mercifully his government is history - I wonder why that is,,,,

okay Nick - here's another analogy

let's say someone had a diseased kidney and was suffering and slowly dying

he has a transplant operation which was totally successful, but sadly there's a post operation infection

These post-transplant infections are easily caught and there's not great deal that the individual surgeon could do about that.

Now everyone else around the hospital could help the patient recover - help defeat the horrible bacteria that is still causing him some problems, but instead they are OBSESSED with slamming the surgeon - to the point where no other transplants will ever be possible and a whole load more people will suffer and die.

Well, actually, in an real hospital, the staff would focus on helping the patient to recover AND there would be a review by the Infections team to see if the surgeon had done something in violation of protocol.

In the case of Iraq - the surgeon didn't even wash his fucking hands. The problem here is that - to use your analogy - the staff is so committed to making sure that no one says anything bad about the surgeon that they let the patient die.

The only way things are going to get better in Iraq is for the US to look critcally at its mistakes and correct them.

That's just untrue. Since Saddam believed till the end that we wouldn't invade when did he have time to start training terrorist? He was paying a reward to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. While I do believe it was just rhetoric to him it wasn't like he would avoid using any weapon he could against anyone he felt was against him.

Wrong again. We're still fighting it here in America, where it's trying to take root again. Or as you folks like to call it, the "Homeland."

Well, it certainly wasn't because of anything you've done - you're still in the UK hammering away feverishly at your keyboard while America's best are dying for your selective and arbitrary devotion to the ideals of freedom and democracy. And I'm sure the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed and maimed because of Bush's war and his abject failure to plan for its aftermath have a hard time seeing the "mercy" in it.

Another non-response with a personal dig. Why am I not suprised.

Just for you!

perhaps you have a REALLY ugly nose

perhaps you are really Rush Limbaugh

perhaps you think it makes you look "hard" and "radical" rather than a putz

either way - stick with it, it makes me smile

This from the man who changes his profile pic every twenty seconds.

What are we supposed to think about the guy who puts a woman's beaten ass up as his profile pic. That you are a tough but compassionate anti terrorist? Fucking bullshit. You're a wanker just like all the rest of us.

Get the fuck over yourself.

and are you too much of a weasel to post the context?

I hoped it was a joke

well part of me didn't

The context in which I saw it, was your postings in CE threads. If there was some other context, you never said anything about it in any of those threads.

I think that you think people pay more attention to you than the actually do.