Over at BoingBoing, Xeni Jardin thinks that the interesting part about Ben Ehrenreich's LA Weekly story, "Baghdad on the Bayou," is that they're finding more people who believe the government bombed the levees in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina. As far as I'm concerned, that notion is only relevant in the sense that it highlights the fierce distrust New Orleans residents have for the government and the wealthy. I'm not about to buy into a wild conspiracy theory like that without even a hint of evidence other than people saying they heard something go "boom."
However, the article also mentions that Blackwater USA "security personnel" have been sent to the flooded city.
At the staging ground at the base of Canal Street - the most secure spot in the city if not the entire nation - hundreds of officials milled about lugging shotguns and automatic rifles as if expecting the Mahdi Army. Among thousands of soldiers and police from every imaginable government agency, I twice saw groups of heavily armed men in khaki fatigues wearing T-shirts that read "Blackwater." A city was submerged, hundreds of thousands homeless, and the feds called in the mercenaries.
Blackwater itself issued a press release announcing their arrival on September 1, but the announcement highlighted their assistance in evacuating residents, and only mentioned their other functions in a laundry list of services that are "available."
The following services are available:
Airlift Services
Security Services
Communication Support
Crowd Control
Humanitarian Support Services
Logistics and Transportation Services
It seems a bit odd to bring in a private firm to provide these services while turning away aid, sending trained first-responders to do PR work, and reprimanding Navy pilots for airlifting stranded residents. Beyond that, questions of jurisdiction come into play. Blackwater isn't a government agency. They're not official first-responders. Under whose auspices are they operating? What happens if one of their "security personnel" mistakes a journalist with camera gear for a looter and guns him down? They may very well answer to someone, but I'd bet that if they shot and killed someone by mistake, we wouldn't hear much about it. But mismanagement of resources and questions of accountability are just two of the problems here. More troubling is the fact that our Government has employed the use of armed mercenaries on American soil.
So we should keep expensive National Guardsmen away from their home indefinitely so that they can do the jobs of $10/hr rent-a-cops?
As a reservist who doesn't want to spend his fall standing in an open sewer with an M-16, I welcome the arrival of private security firms to the New Orleans area.
Of course, if you want to make this problem better, you'd go out and join the National Guard to prevent the government from having to use private security. So, would your refusal to join the Guard and go to the open sewer of New Orleans make you a browntrouthawk?
So we should keep expensive National Guardsmen away from their home indefinitely so that they can do the jobs of $10/hr rent-a-cops?
If it's all about the money, sure!
As a reservist who doesn't want to spend his fall standing in an open sewer with an M-16, I welcome the arrival of private security firms to the New Orleans area.
Of course, if you want to make this problem better, you'd go out and join the National Guard to prevent the government from having to use private security.
Given that Private Military Contractors are the second largest standing (non-Iraqi) force in Iraq, and that 1 out of every 5 dollars spent by the US is going to private contractors over there, I think it's interesting that people are just now starting to talk about groups like Blackwater again.
Then again, this article shows how private "security personnel" can actually help at times. This is only one report of many I've seen recently, where armed contractors have actually helped the media get past bullying feds and local cops.
Sure, it's a big dick contest with automatic weapons, but what are you going to do?
In the coming years, it's not a matter of whether or not PMCs are going to be present in these situations, but whether or not we can get decent regulatory processes in place that ensure that they are operating at an acceptable standard.
And while you can argue that the poor are more likely to be victimized by these soldiers for hire than big companies, you can't argue with the footage that's already out there of some of these individuals / companies cutting through the bullshit and flying straight into NOLA on their own dime to help yank people off of roofs with their own private helos and boats.
Interdictor's Blog (the guy that's been maintaining a datacenter in the NO CBD this whole time) has mentioned that several of the companies near his building have been bringing in private security teams to help them secure their property.
He's also mentioned that, unlike the locals, NG, and guys from the 82nd Airborne, these contractors are not pointing guns at people and tend to be pretty friendly and professional.
Despite the whole "mercenary" rep, several of these companies have proven themselves to have their shit together on many occassions when our federal agencies have dropped the ball on logistics and communications.
Blackwater is the same group that defended a CPA building in Iraq against attacks for 8 hours, while their helos flew ammo in and took a wounded marine out - while waiting on the official calvary to get their shit together.
bean reprimanding Navy pilots for airlifting stranded residents
Um that and they won't allow medics or corpsmen to go over and help even if they are taking leave to do so (I know I'm in this boat) WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKERS!!!!!
Patrick_Lasswell said:
So we should keep expensive National Guardsmen away from their home indefinitely so that they can do the jobs of $10/hr rent-a-cops?
As a reservist who doesn't want to spend his fall standing in an open sewer with an M-16, I welcome the arrival of private security firms to the New Orleans area.
Of course, if you want to make this problem better, you'd go out and join the National Guard to prevent the government from having to use private security. So, would your refusal to join the Guard and go to the open sewer of New Orleans make you a browntrouthawk?
Blackwater isn't even in the same relm as $10 security. I will say that there are a lot of security compainies involved in the area and I'm sure part of it is companies tring to protect properties in the area. So? If the companies can afford to do so it will free up NG and locals for other tasks. (Not disagreeing with anything but the rent a cop statment)
Generally a private company is going to make better decisions and make them more quickly than Leviathan (the government in general). Also if they do something wrong they might actually be held accountable unlike government officials.
Patrick_Lasswell said:
So we should keep expensive National Guardsmen away from their home indefinitely so that they can do the jobs of $10/hr rent-a-cops?
This comment has been addressed. Blackwater is not a "$10/hr rent-a-cop" company.
As a reservist who doesn't want to spend his fall standing in an open sewer with an M-16, I welcome the arrival of private security firms to the New Orleans area.
Well bully for you. Too bad you don't want to go. That's what you signed up for, bucko.
Of course, if you want to make this problem better, you'd go out and join the National Guard to prevent the government from having to use private security. So, would your refusal to join the Guard and go to the open sewer of New Orleans make you a browntrouthawk?
My joining the National Guard would not keep them from sending "private contractors" to do the job of the Guard, as evidenced by the fact that you and many, many other National Guard troops aren't there. It would not make a damn bit of difference.
T said:
I think its a good thing the merc's showed up.
At least someone there can get the job done. Lets just hope the right people hired them to do the job.
I'm curious about who hired them, too, and I don't doubt that they "can get the job done." I guess I'm just a little more uneasy than you about poorly-regulated armed forces who, according to the Bush administration, are not subject to the same rules that the armed services are, operating on American soil.
draciav said:
In the coming years, it's not a matter of whether or not PMCs are going to be present in these situations, but whether or not we can get decent regulatory processes in place that ensure that they are operating at an acceptable standard.
Patrick_Lasswell said:
So we should keep expensive National Guardsmen away from their home indefinitely so that they can do the jobs of $10/hr rent-a-cops?
This comment has been addressed. Blackwater is not a "$10/hr rent-a-cop" company.
As a reservist who doesn't want to spend his fall standing in an open sewer with an M-16, I welcome the arrival of private security firms to the New Orleans area.
Well bully for you. Too bad you don't want to go. That's what you signed up for, bucko.
Of course, if you want to make this problem better, you'd go out and join the National Guard to prevent the government from having to use private security. So, would your refusal to join the Guard and go to the open sewer of New Orleans make you a browntrouthawk?
My joining the National Guard would not keep them from sending "private contractors" to do the job of the Guard, as evidenced by the fact that you and many, many other National Guard troops aren't there. It would not make a damn bit of difference.
No one has ever said that they are there to do the job of NG troops. They are prob there for publisity and /or private contracts, like Hotels, casinos, hospitals, TV stations, ect.
T said:
I think its a good thing the merc's showed up.
At least someone there can get the job done. Lets just hope the right people hired them to do the job.
I'm curious about who hired them, too, and I don't doubt that they "can get the job done." I guess I'm just a little more uneasy than you about poorly-regulated armed forces who, according to the Bush administration, are not subject to the same rules that the armed services are, operating on American soil.
They are however subject to the rules that any security company is.
bones_708 said:
No one has ever said that they are there to do the job of NG troops. They are prob there for publisity and /or private contracts, like Hotels, casinos, hospitals, TV stations, ect.
Did you read anything I linked to? They're evacuating people (something the National Guard does) and appear to be providing security for relief operations (something the National Guard does).
bones_708 said:
They are however subject to the rules that any security company is.
How many other security companies have blackhawk helicopters, M-16s, and body armor? How many other security companies that don't have those things are routinely hired by the federal government?
bones_708 said:
They are however subject to the rules that any security company is.
How many other security companies have blackhawk helicopters, M-16s, and body armor? How many other security companies that don't have those things are routinely hired by the federal government?
[Edited on Sep 11, 2005 by bean]
I couldn't find any references in your link to them having blackhawks. So blackhawks aside, any security company that has the proper tax stamps and has filled out the appropriate paperwork and wants them has M-16s, though I'd bet that blackwater is fielding AR-15s if they are actually fielding that weapon type.
RustyShackelford said:
Generally a private company is going to make better decisions and make them more quickly than Leviathan (the government in general). Also if they do something wrong they might actually be held accountable unlike government officials.
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SEP 09, 2005 09:20 PM