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Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

SEP 02, 2005 10:47 AM

Rampaging thugs in New Orleans can’t exactly be arrested and put into cells. So they will be shot.

BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) - Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned rioters and looters in New Orleans on Thursday that National Guard troops are under her orders to "shoot and kill" to end the rampant violence in the city in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Announcing the arrival of 300 Arkansas National Guard troops in New Orleans fresh from service in Iraq, Blanco said, "these troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded."

"These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will," she said.

U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, a Democrat, said as many as 100 people in his district southeast of New Orleans have died as a by-product of the violence that has gripped the city after Katrina slammed into the region on Monday, causing massive flooding.

Those who died, Melancon said, had been waiting at a warehouse pier along the Mississippi River in Chalmette, Louisiana, to be picked up for evacuation. They had received little food and no water since Monday or Tuesday.

"They were afraid they would have to go through New Orleans (to deliver the supplies)," Melancon said.

Melancon said some of those waiting for pickup died of dehydration in the 90-degree heat that has afflicted the region since Tuesday.

Despair is also affecting those in New Orleans charged with protecting the city, said State Police Superintendent Col. H.L. Whitehorn.

Some New Orleans police officers have resigned rather than face the violence in the city.

speare

speare

Los Altos, CA
January 2004

SEP 02, 2005 10:51 AM

holy shit.

Lotusmonger

Lotusmonger

Chicago, IL
May 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:01 AM

it's about fucking time. and I'm a liberal!

the trouble won't be in rebuilding the bricks, but in starting a whole new police force that the public won't ridicule there.

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

SEP 02, 2005 11:02 AM

Wow, that's rather harsh. Of course, as sad as it sounds, I'm not sure what other options they have.

Shinigami

Shinigami

Vista, CA
November 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:13 AM

Sending in a large group of military trained, war hardened veterans with high power semi-automatic assault rifles with full permission, and even the expectation, of using deadly force is going to result in a lot of extra body bags. While it may be viewed as necessary right now, I can see extreme outrage over this approach when, not if, some young kid is killed. They are asking for even more trouble with this action.

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

SEP 02, 2005 11:16 AM

Shinigami said:
Sending in a large group of military trained, war hardened veterans with high power semi-automatic assault rifles with full permission, and even the expectation, of using deadly force is going to result in a lot of extra body bags.


I don't know about that - there aren't many policemen, guardsmen or soldiers who are eager to shoot and kill citizens of their own country.

jinkblade

jinkblade

France
August 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:16 AM

wow glad to be left wing and french right now (something I tend to be rarely proud of), this is fucking scary...

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

SEP 02, 2005 11:17 AM

Awesome. Lets use the Iraq model for responding to natural disasters. Anyone else find it strange that the government of the the richest society in the world hasn't been able to get food and water to tens of thousands of people for four days, but are now mobilizing to kill people? Do what you do best, I suppose.

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

SEP 02, 2005 11:18 AM

I heard someone say that 60% of the police force had not reported for duty.

TheSinner

TheSinner

Seattle, WA
October 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:19 AM

EnfantTerrible said:
I'm a civil libertarian and also think this is neccesary.




What does working at the city library have to do with anything?


Sorry couldnt resist, but on the subject I agree that the threat of deadly force is one way to make people think about the things they do. On the flip side I am sure there will be lots of lawsuits if people actually do get shot. The shooter better have some type of protocal with a witness....

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:20 AM

I do not like this, but I do not contest it.

buggrit

buggrit

Portland, OR
January 2005

SEP 02, 2005 11:23 AM

so nice of some of you to judge something when you have no concept of what is going on

sure it's an ugly decision, but when you have snipers shooting at rescue workers and helicopters

armed gangs attacking hospitals

and all sorts of nifty things like that, i suppose you are supposed to ask them to politely stop?


edited for a typo

[Edited on Sep 02, 2005 11:24AM]

SonOfMorrissey

SonOfMorrissey

Carmichael, CA
November 2003

SEP 02, 2005 11:23 AM

Bleeding (mildly) heart liberal here, and I too say it's about God Damn time! Relief can't fully flow while there are armed looters in the streets. It's been a few days, everyone's had their chance to go nuts and jack a case of Coors or swipe some needed food, but if you're still roaming around, *armed* and causing trouble at this point, prepare to get horizontal.

I'm sure someone is going to get iced that was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and god knows you may have some trigger happy guardsmen, but what is the alternative at this point? Just sit back and let the chaos continue? People are dying because of these ass holes already, not to mention the rapes that have been reported. This isn't a time to be PC. For once, force legitimately needs to be used, and fast.

my .02

[Edited on Sep 02, 2005 11:25AM]

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:24 AM

Shiiiiit. eeek

aegies

aegies

Oakland, CA
June 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:25 AM

Jaquelin_Michael said:
I do not like this, but I do not contest it.



i don't think anyone likes it, honestly. fuck, i HOPE no likes it. people being happy at the prospect of other people dying is saddening.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 02, 2005 11:28 AM

Wow, this thread is like a convention of ITG: Internet Tough Guys

EndedBen

EndedBen

Grand Rapids, MI
August 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:31 AM

legionnaire said:

Shinigami said:
Sending in a large group of military trained, war hardened veterans with high power semi-automatic assault rifles with full permission, and even the expectation, of using deadly force is going to result in a lot of extra body bags.


I don't know about that - there aren't many policemen, guardsmen or soldiers who are eager to shoot and kill citizens of their own country.


Maybe, maybe not. Blanco sounds pretty gung ho about it.



[Edited on Sep 02, 2005 by SuperNintendo]

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:31 AM

Announcing the arrival of 300 Arkansas National Guard troops in New Orleans fresh from service in Iraq, Blanco said, "these troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded."



I will admit this is a minor point, but does it bother anyone else when politicians try and talk like action movie heros?

Because it makes my eyes roll like this: whatever

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:31 AM

Those looters aren't going to shoot themselves (though I really wish they would).

Phoebus

Phoebus

Italy
OLD SKOOL

SEP 02, 2005 11:33 AM

It's not like they're going in for head-hunting. They'll likely be following a set of R.O.E. along the lines of "shoot only if shot at first".

EDITed for grammar.

[Edited on Sep 02, 2005 by Phoebus]

cretinfamily

cretinfamily

Tulsa, OK
March 2005

SEP 02, 2005 11:34 AM

it is so sad that it has had to come to this.
something has to be done though.... frown

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 02, 2005 11:35 AM

EnfantTerrible said:

Keith said:
Wow, this thread is like a convention of ITG: Internet Tough Guys



Care to contribute with anything else there, internet tough guy? wink


Nope. More entertaining to sit back and watch the bloodthirsty message board generals.

SonOfMorrissey

SonOfMorrissey

Carmichael, CA
November 2003

SEP 02, 2005 11:35 AM

robosagogo said:
Those looters aren't going to shoot themselves (though I really wish they would).



Actually, and I wish I could find the source link, but the AP posted this a few days back...

"At a drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. One looter shot and wounded a fellow looter, who was taken to a hospital and survived."

So, hey, at least they tried.

*just trying to add some levity to a horrible situation people*

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

SEP 02, 2005 11:37 AM

EnfantTerrible said:

Subrosa said:

Announcing the arrival of 300 Arkansas National Guard troops in New Orleans fresh from service in Iraq, Blanco said, "these troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded."



I will admit this is a minor point, but does it bother anyone else when politicians try and talk like action movie heros?

Because it makes my eyes roll like this: whatever



I agree it is probably the first time she has ever used that term but it is also the proper terminology, as used by the military...I'm sure it was something an advisor told her to say to saound tougher than "using live rounds" or whatever. Especially since they are probably trying to get the word out to armed thugs themselves.

[Edited on Sep 02, 2005 by EnfantTerrible]



Is it the proper terminology? Oh. OK. Then never mind. I just thought it was something cool to say before going to shoot the bad guys.

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

SEP 02, 2005 11:37 AM

This should have been the case from day one

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