ZombieStomp said:
Someone please unveil the hydrogen cars that Bush said he gave GM an absurd amount of millions ot develop. (At least I think it was GM- I do remember him saying he spent an absurd number of millions on it.) We haven't utilized hardly any of the natural gas or propane yet, and gasoline cars can be converted to natural gas and propane with a simple injection system kit and a tank/regulator. I've seen these on a diesel truck. I'm thinking about getting the kind that allows you to switch between gasoline and propane, if it's cost effective.

Where's Stiles when you need him?

My moped runs on moon juice.

I have a scooter. It blew a piston ring today. How can I convert it to run on moon juice (do you mean moonshine?)?

No, you cant, you have to have a cool 2D scooter like mine to use moon juice.

I got it from this guy:

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

AUG 31, 2005 09:58 PM

MisterSatan said:

Where's Stiles when you need him?

Right here.

Working, cost-effective hydrogen cars (read: fuel cell) are a long, long way off.

The GM Relay is a functioning prototype at the moment, and Honda has one tiny fuel-cell model operating on a demonstration basis. Using hydrogen as a motor fuel is even farther away due to severe storage requirements and low energy density of the fuel. All of this is compounded by a total lack of refueling infrastructure and the absurdly high energy cost of producing hydrogen.

Natural-gas powered vehicles are available now, for a big price premium (+$8,000 for a Chevy Silverado pickup, IIRC, a little less for a Ford Crown Vic, and about $3500 for a Civic GX). They suffer from reduced performance and a limited range as well as a lack of refueling infrastructure - but you can get a home natural-gas pump to fill your car overnight for something like $2500+installation... Even discounting all the extra equipment and the price premium for natural gas, the fuel is cheaper than gasoline largely because it isn't subject to state and federal motor fuel taxes... yet.

Also, natural-gas has gone up 300% in the last few years because it is in high demand to run new powerplants, and some of the Gulf Coast infrastructure damaged handled large quantities of natural gas - so that's going up too most likely.

Right now, what works is hybrids, CDI turbodiesels, and pure electric cars (of which there are damned few). If everyone in America traded in their daily-driver large SUV/truck for a Geo Metro/Golf TDi or the like, we would have much less of a problem. Using less heat, AC, and electric power would help, too.

[Edited on Sep 01, 2005 by Stiles]

Sen

USA

January 2004

AUG 31, 2005 10:03 PM

Gas is $2.60 here. Only $2.60. That's all.
Yep.

Clairevoyance

Tallahassee, FL

July 2004

AUG 31, 2005 10:04 PM

Luis

Preston, ID

February 2004

AUG 31, 2005 10:13 PM

Luis said:
Okay, so I'm in Atlanta, and I've been busy all day. I'm also staying at a place 5 minutes from work, so I didn't bother getting gas since I'm thinking people are just panicking about the shortages. I'm probably going to fill up on Friday. Has anyone heard anything that would make you think gas won't be back in supply by then?

Never mind, I've answered my own question. It is price gouging as I've suspected.

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/0805/31fuel.html

Jim Tudor, president of the Georgia Association of Convenience Stores, said panicky drivers are the problem now.

"Atlanta's not out of gas," Tudor said. He said there may be outages at some gas stations, "but it wasn't because there wasn't gas available. It was because there was a run on these stores."

Spot shortages and news snippets ignited rumors that shot through e-mails, text messages, and telephone calls Wednesday. A popular one said state troopers were closing all gas stations at 4 p.m.; they didn't.

Some good news also trickled in. At 4 p.m., the Colonial Pipeline Company which owns one of the two downed gas pipelines serving metro Atlanta, sent out a news release saying some service will be restored tonight. Between 25 to 35 percent of the pipeline's capacity could be operational in hours. The company is using generators to re-energize the line.

Found this on the atlanta gas prices website.

As of 5:30pm - Georgia is under an energy emergency. It is not for shortages of gasoline - but due to stations across the state gouging people. If you suspect price gouging - call (404) 651-8600 or (800) 869-1123. More info is available at http://www.gov.state.ga.us/press/2005/press907.shtml

Quit panicking, people.

ragefilledmuffin

Aurora, IL

November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 10:36 PM

Sen said:
Gas is $2.60 here. Only $2.60. That's all.
Yep.

That's about what it was here a week ago. Now its $3.19. Not so bad in the grand scheme of things (doesn't mean I'm happy about it...)
I keep thinking of what my mom said on the phone today--that no matter how high gas prices get, she's just thankful she has her home and family. My mom isn't usually so optimistic, so that surprised me.

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 01, 2005 12:14 AM

Luis said:
Never mind, I've answered my own question. It is price gouging as I've suspected.

Actually, it's a panic.

The "price gouging" you refer to is a symptom, not a cause.

TheSeadog

Reunion

September 2004

SEP 01, 2005 12:17 AM

Cash said:

"Whoah...I tell ya...I get no respect around here...no respect at all"

Brilliant.

Infra

La Crosse, WI

November 2003

SEP 01, 2005 12:44 AM

SirPsychoSexy said:

Helter said:
If you can't scrape together $20 given a weeks notice that a hurricane is coming, you can't afford a car or housing either.

Says you. If you have no money, you have no money. Just because you only need 20$ never makes it appear in your wallet.

And it was more like less than 72 hours notice that it was going to be a category 4-5 and that it was going to hit New Orleans.

They have repeatedly been threatened and that spared by major hurricanes for 50 years, you are telling me people who are very poor are just going to pack up and leave every time a hurricane could possible come close to hitting the city?
There was really no warning of impending disaster until Saturday.

Most of the people who ended up in the city were poor. Ill give you a hint -- it wasn't because "poor people are dumb".

Not to mention that it was the end of the month. When people are living paycheck to paycheck that's when they usually run out.

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL

January 2005

SEP 01, 2005 05:18 AM

TheSeadog said:

Cash said:

"Whoah...I tell ya...I get no respect around here...no respect at all"

Brilliant.

god, that shit eating grin...

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD

June 2004

SEP 01, 2005 10:19 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Luis said:
Never mind, I've answered my own question. It is price gouging as I've suspected.

Actually, it's a panic.

The "price gouging" you refer to is a symptom, not a cause.

Bingo

Luis

Preston, ID

February 2004

SEP 01, 2005 10:37 AM

skankzor said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

Luis said:
Never mind, I've answered my own question. It is price gouging as I've suspected.

Actually, it's a panic.

The "price gouging" you refer to is a symptom, not a cause.

Bingo

Yeah I originally said people are panicking about the shortages, I was commenting on why the prices were so high, I wasn't clear on this last bit.

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