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jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

AUG 31, 2005 01:02 PM

There was hope that Cindy Sheehan's vigil in Crawford, TX, demanding a visit with President Bush, would be the spark to start a broad-based anti-war movement that would go beyond those who have already protested the war. However, a new Washington Post/ABC News Poll suggests that Sheehan's vigil hasn't really done much to dampen support for the war beyond those who already opposed it.

The survey found that 52 percent of the public says Bush should talk to Sheehan, who has repeatedly asked for a meeting with the president, while 46 percent said he should not. Fifty-three percent support what she is doing while 42 percent oppose her actions, according to the poll.

Like the war and Bush's overall handling of the situation in Iraq, attitudes toward Sheehan divide along sharply partisan lines. Seven in 10 Democrats say they support Sheehan's position on Iraq while an equal proportion of Republicans oppose her.

In the three weeks since she began her protest, Sheehan has quickly become the most visible symbol of the anti-war movement. Fully three in four Americans say they have read or heard about Sheehan and her protest.

The survey also suggests, however, that Sheehan's anti-war vigil has failed to mobilize large numbers of Americans against the war. If anything, her opposition has done as much to drive up support for the war as ignite opponents, the survey found.

Eight in 10 Americans--including overwhelming majorities of Democrats, Republicans and political independents--say Sheehan's protest has had no impact on their attitudes toward Iraq. While one in 10 say she has made them less likely to support the war, the same proportion say she has made them more likely to back the conflict.


Now, there are intangibles at work here that might show Sheehan's vigil as having more of an effect than the numbers show. Though it might not cause large numbers to change their mind, it might deepen the resolve of those who were against the war to protest it. There is a question, though, of whether this thing was bungled politically; did the quickness with which liberal groups such as Moveon.org embraced it make the Republican party's attacks on Sheehan as a left-winger out of touch with "real" military families stick better?

My feeling is that it's too early to see results of Sheehan's vigil, for the good or the harm of the anti-war movement, yet. But I think it's done a good thing in getting people to ask that all important question about the war: why are we there? Why are these troops dying? That question will take a while to settle in.

RustyShackelford

RustyShackelford

I'm lost
April 2005

AUG 31, 2005 02:26 PM

Pretty much everyone I know thinks she is nuts.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

AUG 31, 2005 02:29 PM

RustyShackelford said:
Pretty much everyone I know thinks she is nuts.


Your kid dying in a war will do that to ya.

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

AUG 31, 2005 02:30 PM

RustyShackelford said:
Pretty much everyone I know thinks she is nuts.


Once again the right wing press has mounted a fairly successful smear campaign based on quotes taken out of context and vague insinuations.

Mthrsuperior

Mthrsuperior

Victoria, BC
November 2002

AUG 31, 2005 02:39 PM

The numbers don't mean shit.
Especially from that source.

I hear more people talking about her and hence the war in general than at any other time since.

Discourse is good.

RustyShackelford

RustyShackelford

I'm lost
April 2005

AUG 31, 2005 02:58 PM

Keith said:

RustyShackelford said:
Pretty much everyone I know thinks she is nuts.


Your kid dying in a war will do that to ya.



Perhaps, but she's not helping the antiwar case acting like a nut. Also the fact that her son died does not make her an expert on the Middle East, international politics, war, etc.

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

AUG 31, 2005 03:05 PM

RustyShackelford said:

Keith said:

RustyShackelford said:
Pretty much everyone I know thinks she is nuts.


Your kid dying in a war will do that to ya.



Perhaps, but she's not helping the antiwar case acting like a nut. Also the fact that her son died does not make her an expert on the Middle East, international politics, war, etc.



Is she passing herself off as an expert on those things or just sitting around demanding to talk to the president?

loganrapp

loganrapp

Fresno, CA
August 2005

AUG 31, 2005 03:11 PM

Eh. It got people talking. I don't think there's going to be a "movement." Discussion's been revitalized and debate/arguing will probably heat up the next few months, but it'll settle down again, people will forget.

People *always* forget.

Cyric

Cyric

I'm lost
October 2003

AUG 31, 2005 03:28 PM

Iraq won't be like vietnam cause there's no draft. America won't care what happens because the soldiers dying are volenteirs. No one cares and they won't care unless iraq gets worse than it is.

Doghouse_Reilly

doghouse_reilly

I'm lost
February 2004

AUG 31, 2005 03:47 PM

Cyric said:
Iraq won't be like vietnam cause there's no draft. America won't care what happens because the soldiers dying are volenteirs. No one cares and they won't care unless iraq gets worse than it is.



This is basically it in a nutshell. I have reached the point where I don't even have much sympathy for soldiers who get killed fighting this pointless and corrupt war because they signed up for it, and at least half of them seem to just love the glory that comes with dying for their fucked up warmongering cause. If kids were getting drafted against their will to go get killed, there might be more outrage, but as it stands, there's a sucker enlisted every minute-- seems like Darwinism working overtime.

Islamists get their 72 virgins with Allah, and "the troops" get their flag draped homecoming parade with medals and burial at Arlington. Isn't war glorious?