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Midnyte

Midnyte

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

AUG 31, 2005 07:45 AM

I found THIS Link today and couldn't help laughing. Especially about the goths lack of interest, or inability to wake up for this.

Goths and chavs go to war in the woods in attempt to keep the peace on the streets

Council defuses town centre tension with organised BB gun battles between teenagers

Patrick Barkham
Wednesday August 31, 2005
The Guardian


Peterborough's Cathedral Square yesterday afternoon. The scene of regular standoffs between gangs of marauding chavs and goths. Apart from the patter of shoppers' feet on hot paving stones, it's quiet, too quiet.
Ten miles away, at a secret location in the Cambridgeshire countryside, it is a different story. Startled wood pigeons crash through the trees at the sound of plastic ball bearing guns as the city's chavs and goths run through the undergrowth taking pot shots at each other.


War games do not appear the most obvious way to bring together these teenage tribes, as distinctive and implacably opposed to each other as the mods and rockers of the 1960s. But Peterborough city council is hoping that a new scheme, in which they take unruly chavs and goths on "airsoft" war games, will bring a truce to the trouble in Cathedral Square.
Fourteen male and female chavs and goths yesterday swapped fake Burberry and Marilyn Manson T-shirts for camouflage to take part in the first of the airsoft games, which is similar to paintballing but uses ball bearing - BB - guns firing plastic balls.

The voluntary scheme has been organised by the city's street wardens with the blessing of the local police. The street wardens were introduced three years ago to tackle antisocial behaviour and petty street crime but have found the antagonism between chavs and goths difficult to quell.

The gangs have attracted complaints of underage drinking, violence, vandalism, graffiti and littering. Police have also received a spate of calls from members of the public terrified by teenagers firing the frighteningly realistic-looking BB guns at each other on the streets.

Kitted out in black body armour and chomping on a large cigar, Steve Mayes, the street warden supervisor, looks more than a match for any mouthy chav or stoned goth. But he's found both groups showing scant regard for him, each other or society, and hopes that skirmishes in the countryside will instil respect.

"We've had large groups of chavs and goths on Cathedral Square on a Saturday. They've not really being doing any harm but the sheer number of them intimidates people," he said. "It's like mods and rockers - not that these guys start fighting, it's just a bit of a slap here and there."

The few goths who still walk across the square by the city's Norman cathedral are not so sure. War games in the countryside? "That's going to be murder," said Kenny, 19, resplendent in his daywear of black boots, black jeans, black shirt and long black leather jacket (it's sunny and 25C). "The chavs will take knives."

Kenny admits he was once a "borderline" chav but got in with skaters, punks and then goths. Black is his daywear but for gigs he'll don black eyeliner and black nail varnish. Apart from clothes and music, the difference between the groups is attitude, according to Kenny.

He points out a chav, swaggering through the square on the toes of his immaculate white trainers. "Most goths are so laid-back they are on their arse," he said. "If you go up to a chav and look at him wrong, he'll kick your head in."

A piercing scream cuts through the quiet of the countryside as a chav receives a buttfull of plastic ball bearings. The bonding between the two groups is proceeding apace and organisers swear that the teams have not simply divided down chav/goth lines.

But Mr Mayes admits there is one small problem: most of the goths were so laid-back they couldn't get up in time for the war games. Six cried off yesterday morning. "We've got more chavs than we have goths because they couldn't get out of bed," he said. "They've probably been smoking too much pot."

"Chris just unloaded a clip on me," yells one chav, clutching his backside in mock pain as he enters the "dead zone", where those who are shot during the game must recuperate for five minutes. "I shot you about five times, man," bragged another chav.

"They call me a chav," said Craig Jones, 22. He doesn't mind. "It's a bit of laugh. I think they mean Orton boy, which is an area in Peterborough which has graffiti all over the place so people think it's a bit dingy."

He finds the joy of the war game a welcome relief from the tedium of sitting in Cathedral Square. "I hang around with mates having a giggle, having a laugh. There's not much to do. Because we hang about in big groups separate from one another people think there's trouble and it's intimidating. With a big group of lads, grannies think they're going to rob their handbags."

But he insists that far from gang warfare, the chav-goth tension in Peterborough is like anywhere in the country, it is simply "friendly banter".

Mr Mayes says the voluntary scheme, in which chavs and goths pay a reduced rate subsidised by a local company, is not rewarding bad behaviour. Teenagers brandishing BB guns in town has been a problem, but the scheme teaches youngsters that the realistic-looking weapons hurt and should only be used in safe "game" situations.

"These guys here are well-behaved kids. All they've done is stand in large groups. They say: 'I hang about on the square because I haven't got anything else to do, innit?'"

Mr Mayes believes the games will give the two groups something to do and get them talking to each other. "It gets rid of that pent-up energy that teenagers don't seem to get rid of these days when they are sitting around on their Playstations and Xboxes," he said.

The council hopes a new spirit of mutual respect will extend to all their employees. As well as the orange-clad street wardens, there is even a council parking attendant sportingly allowing young chavs and goths to take pot shots at him. "When they see us now it's not going to be 'oh those bloody tango wardens'," said Mr Mayes. "They now know who I am."

Whether skinny goths can be persuaded out of their beds for some bracing outdoor activity with their chav foes remains to be seen. But the council wardens believe the airsoft games, which they hope to hold every half-term, will spread via word of mouth, bringing the two tribes together in war - and bringing peace to Cathedral Square.

"It's like football," said Denise Mee, another street warden. "You pick which team you belong to. But ultimately the chavs and the goths are the same sort of people, so the idea is to get them together. When they first came they were in little groups but already there's more togetherness."



JohnFM1

JohnFM1

United Kingdom
May 2004

AUG 31, 2005 07:53 AM

Sounds like quite a good way to waste a lot of money.
Wonder who came up with this genius idea?

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

AUG 31, 2005 07:53 AM

Well the obvious solution is to hold more night scenarios, and try to score some subsidized NV goggles off the local police.

I wish the local police around here would pull something like this. I could use a good airsoft game.

Aponia

Aponia

Philadelphia, PA
March 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:02 AM

That is a really weird way to get rid of tension between two waring factions, isn't it.

but it is hilarious that the goths didn't wake up in time..

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

AUG 31, 2005 08:19 AM

Capital punishment for the lot of them I say. Give them real guns and crossbows and such and let's have us some Battle Royale action.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:26 AM

I'm so goth my bb gun is a crossbow +1.

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

AUG 31, 2005 08:35 AM

What the hell is a Chav?

I looked it up but it didn't exactly answer my question, are they townies or wiggers?

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

AUG 31, 2005 08:36 AM

Aponia said:
That is a really weird way to get rid of tension between two waring factions, isn't it.

but it is hilarious that the goths didn't wake up in time..



If you get a good crowd, or at least a crowd that will follow the rules and not throw a hissy fit when they get tagged, it can be a lot of fun. And if they're breaking the teams up between the two tribes then it's all the more likely to build some bonds between the groups.

It's hard to be critical of someone's musical preferences when they're covering your ass in a retreat.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:36 AM

Good for these kids, settling their problems in a fairly fun way.

And it gets them active.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:38 AM


Conformists. whatever

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:40 AM

And for those who don't know what a "chav" is (because I didn't):



Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the height of fashion). This lad is strutting around, fag in one hand jewellery al over the over, outside McDonalds acting as if he is 8 foot tall and built like a rugby player, when some poor unsuspecting adult (about 17/18) walks round the corner wanting to go to mcdonalds for his dinner glances at the young lad, the young lad jumps up in complete disgust and says “Whats your problem? Wanna make sommin of it? Bling Bling” when the adult starts to walk towards the young lad, the young lad pisses himself and runs off to either his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend or his brother in the army crying his eyes out.



So it's basically the living incarnation of Ali G

[Edited on Aug 31, 2005 by skankzor]

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:46 AM

hadees said:
What the hell is a Chav?

I looked it up but it didn't exactly answer my question, are they townies or wiggers?



I can say from experience that an American can never totally understand the concept of Chavdom until they come here. Even then it can take a couple of months to work out what's going on with these strange people.

I still giggle with delight when my housemate speaks in her Calfornian accent and says things like 'Man, I had to tell this Chav off on the bus today!" "Oh man, check out the chav being rude, what a waaaaanker." biggrin

xathelin

xathelin

Australia
August 2005

AUG 31, 2005 08:48 AM

I love the way the article goes into detail defining goths and particularly what they wear, but the chav's clothing description is limited to "white trainers". tongue

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

AUG 31, 2005 08:48 AM

hadees said:
What the hell is a Chav?

.....are they townies or wiggers?


No, they are scum.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:48 AM

skankzor said:

So it's basically the living incarnation of Ali G



No, I really wouldn't say so.

Sorry but I really can't think of a figure (that I know of) in American culture that really comes close to a chav...

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

AUG 31, 2005 08:52 AM

....and chavs aren't just 12 YOs. There are chavs of all ages drawn together by their scumness.

Something that struck me the other day when the A'level results were released. Passes have increased steadily, year on year. Grades have risen, year on year. So how does that tally with the rise of the chav? They are as thick as pig shit.

confused

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:53 AM

Crivelli said:

hadees said:
What the hell is a Chav?

.....are they townies or wiggers?


No, they are scum.



All 'Chavvy' people aren't scum, but I think if you define 'Chav' as entire package - taking the clothes, lifestyle and anti-social attitude into account you can get away with saying that.

I however know 'Chavvy' types, who are in fact lovely people. So you gotta be careful with the defintion. 'Chav' - ASBO kid. 'Chavvy' - Lack of fashion sense.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 08:55 AM

Crivelli said:
....and chavs aren't just 12 YOs. There are chavs of all ages drawn together by their scumness.

Something that struck me the other day when the A'level results were released. Passes have increased steadily, year on year. Grades have risen, year on year. So how does that tally with the rise of the chav? They are as thick as pig shit.

confused



Well... you don't get many total Chavs doing A-levels, do you?
In my experience Most of them get strategically expelled (along with other 'bad apples') before the exams to bump up result averges.

[Edited on Aug 31, 2005 by Glassmachine]

Midnyte

Midnyte

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

AUG 31, 2005 08:59 AM

PantBloink said:
I'm so goth my bb gun is a crossbow +1.




Geek wink biggrin

JohnFM1

JohnFM1

United Kingdom
May 2004

AUG 31, 2005 09:00 AM

Chav Scum lists 50 cent, Christina Aguilera and Eminem as American Chavs...

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

AUG 31, 2005 09:03 AM

Glassmachine said:

Crivelli said:

hadees said:
What the hell is a Chav?

.....are they townies or wiggers?


No, they are scum.



All 'Chavvy' people aren't scum, but I think if you define 'Chav' as entire package - taking the clothes, lifestyle and anti-social attitude into account you can get away with saying that.

I however know 'Chavvy' types, who are in fact lovely people. So you gotta be careful with the defintion. 'Chav' - ASBO kid. 'Chavvy' - Lack of fashion sense.



The full name is chav scum, if they ain't scum then they ain't chav. Simple.

smile

The_Reverend

The_Reverend

United Kingdom
September 2004

AUG 31, 2005 09:15 AM

i consider myself a tolerant guy. But chavs make my blood run cold.

i think it's because it's the ONLY sub-culture of society i've ever seen that has NO interest in culture or books or ANYTHING beyond television and mindless violence... even bikers (the traditional UK fear of middle-class home owners) usually, in my experience, have a huge bookshelf full of interesting stuff - inspired, if nothing else, by watching Buffy or Star Trek...

...it always seems to be the chavs that say (proudly) 'i've never read no fuckin' book in my life!'



i'm ranting, i know, but i live opposite a chav pub...

...i love having my room illuminated by blue flashing lights every Friday night... surreal

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 09:17 AM

Midnyte said:

PantBloink said:
I'm so goth my bb gun is a crossbow +1.




Geek wink biggrin


Goth!!
(fires BB at Midnyte)

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

AUG 31, 2005 10:04 AM

Ugh - At least the Mods and Rockers had the nuts to punch it out on the beach.

Clunk

Clunk

I'm lost
August 2004

AUG 31, 2005 10:13 AM

googuse said:
Ugh - At least the Mods and Rockers had the nuts to punch it out on the beach.



(...)"They threw deckchairs around, broke them up to make bonfires, shouted obscenities at each other and at passers-by, jostled holidaymakers and terrified elderly residents"(....)

The mods and rockers were puddytats compared to the fuckin chavs round our way. At least they didn't knife/bottle/beat to death random strangers.

(BTW, a lot of the mod/rocker violence was staged. The press of the day used to drive busloads of 'em in. wink )

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