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lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

AUG 30, 2005 02:32 PM

68 Dead vs. 118,000 Dead.

Don't get me wrong, my heart goes out to everyone who lost family friends and property in the hurricane but I think this is one of the most irresponsible and ridiculous statements I've heard in a long, long time.

They should be counting their lucky stars that this wasn't their tsunami.

Lil_Tuffy

trestria

trestria

Wilson, NC
October 2004

AUG 30, 2005 03:03 PM

I agree with you PRockG. People tend to blurt out statements before giving them much thought when they are under stress.

mattthegoon

mattthegoon

Virginia Beach, VA
July 2002

AUG 30, 2005 03:08 PM

exactly...what a complete asinine statement...
someone needs to explain to this guy the difference between a hurricane and a tsunami...i don't think that anyone in southeast asia had the ability to track the tsunami as it approached...it just fucking happened...caught everyone by surprise, and that's why so many died.
if you have the weather channel or any local news station...you knew the hurricane was coming, and it's your fault if you got caught in it.
(additionally, i definately feel terrible for the people who lost their lives, but to hear someone make such and ignorant statement...it just burns my britches)
skull

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

AUG 30, 2005 03:12 PM

dark_TRItium said:
I agree with you PRockG. People tend to blurt out statements before giving them much thought when they are under stress.


PRockG also said that public servants should have more discretion.

I think it's probably got a lot to do with perspective, too.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by bean]

raven6241

raven6241

Australia
July 2005

AUG 30, 2005 03:14 PM

Bit of a difference.

You know, just a little...

noone_3383

noone_3383

Charlotte, NC
June 2004

AUG 30, 2005 03:50 PM

I dont nessecarily agree w/ the statement but to blow it off just because of casuality difference is judgemental i think. New Orleans a city w/ a population over 1,000,000 people is under water until further notice.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

AUG 30, 2005 03:56 PM

Discounting the number of deaths, it seems to me that the aftereffects of the hurrican are pretty comparable.

Five million without power, perhaps as a million now homeless (about the same number as those displaced by the tsunami), more than 80% of New Orleans under water, "the most significant natural disaster to hit the United States."

I don't think it quite qualifies as a ridiculous and irresponsible statement.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

AUG 30, 2005 04:26 PM

Way to nitpick!

He didn't say it was "as bad as the tsunami" he said it was their tsunami. And if you heard the full statement, he was referring to the overhead shots of the water erasing entire towns. I really don't see why this statement is "one of the most irresponsible" ones youve heard in a long time.

The first thing i thought of when i saw the aerial shots was the same-- "that looks like the pictures taken right after the tsunami" People, when faced with tragedy beyond their comprehension sometimes make comparisons to other (recent) tragedies. It doesn't make them irresponsible. It makes them human.

Clearly, with the advanced warning and superior quality of evacuation procedures, higher standard of living, quality of the places people live,etc there aren't going to be hundreds of thousands dead.

Plus, 68 dead is a laughably low estimate.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by OlPointyBlankard]

Ryan_Dipietro

Ryan_Dipietro

Naples, FL
April 2004

AUG 30, 2005 04:27 PM

...and this is why she's the mayor of BILOXI.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by RyanDipietro]

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

AUG 30, 2005 04:56 PM

Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

AUG 30, 2005 05:04 PM

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by lil_tuffy]

Saltine

Saltine

Baton Rouge, LA
March 2004

AUG 30, 2005 05:21 PM

wtf i think he was commenting more on the total destruction and i think everyone on the site should cut the man some fuckin slack his city was just wiped off of the map chances are he is alittle bit emotional.

Spaceboy

Spaceboy

Dallas, TX
October 2004

AUG 30, 2005 05:32 PM

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by lil_tuffy]



Exactly. I was actually waiting for someone to say that on the news when it happened.

Saltine

Saltine

Baton Rouge, LA
March 2004

AUG 30, 2005 05:37 PM

Spaceboy said:

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by lil_tuffy]



Exactly. I was actually waiting for someone to say that on the news when it happened.




what is "that"

Spaceboy

Spaceboy

Dallas, TX
October 2004

AUG 30, 2005 06:47 PM

Saltine said:

Spaceboy said:

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by lil_tuffy]



Exactly. I was actually waiting for someone to say that on the news when it happened.




what is "that"



Referring to the bombings as Londons 9/11.

Saltine

Saltine

Baton Rouge, LA
March 2004

AUG 30, 2005 06:55 PM

Spaceboy said:

Saltine said:

Spaceboy said:

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by lil_tuffy]



Exactly. I was actually waiting for someone to say that on the news when it happened.




what is "that"



Referring to the bombings as Londons 9/11.




thanks i wasn't sure

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

AUG 30, 2005 07:05 PM

well, someone else just compared it to Hiroshima.

Lil_Tuffy

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 30, 2005 07:08 PM

lil_tuffy said:
well, someone else just compared it to Hiroshima.

Lil_Tuffy



I've got the 6am news tomorrow for the first comparison to the holocaust in my office pool.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

AUG 30, 2005 07:13 PM

OlPointyBlankard said:
Way to nitpick!

He didn't say it was "as bad as the tsunami" he said it was their tsunami. And if you heard the full statement, he was referring to the overhead shots of the water erasing entire towns. I really don't see why this statement is "one of the most irresponsible" ones youve heard in a long time.

The first thing i thought of when i saw the aerial shots was the same-- "that looks like the pictures taken right after the tsunami" People, when faced with tragedy beyond their comprehension sometimes make comparisons to other (recent) tragedies. It doesn't make them irresponsible. It makes them human.

Clearly, with the advanced warning and superior quality of evacuation procedures, higher standard of living, quality of the places people live,etc there aren't going to be hundreds of thousands dead.

Plus, 68 dead is a laughably low estimate.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by OlPointyBlankard]



I think my issue is more with the media's tendency to sensationalize or report things as the worst possible outcome rather than to actually report what happened. Statements are taken out of context and plastered all over regardless as to whether or not it is an accurate representation of the reality.

Lil_Tuffy

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

AUG 30, 2005 07:14 PM

lil_tuffy said:
well, someone else just compared it to Hiroshima.

Lil_Tuffy


Who?

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

AUG 30, 2005 07:15 PM

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy


Except it was their 9/11. Just like Spain's bombings was their 9/11. And this is our tsunami.

They're comparing experiences, not numbers.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by AceTracer]

Manchester_Black

Manchester_Black

Edmonton, AB
March 2004

AUG 30, 2005 07:16 PM

I wonder if the people who are left homeless are going to go back to the sites where their homes were, only to find the lands been bought and slated to be turned into a resort... or if the families of the dead will find the same, and not have any 'legal' claim to it because the lands been handed down through families since before such notions as property law?

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

AUG 30, 2005 07:17 PM

Cigarette said:

lil_tuffy said:
well, someone else just compared it to Hiroshima.

Lil_Tuffy


Who?



I dunno - I was just waking from a cat nap. It was a sound bite on NPR. Whatever program proceeds Fresh Air.

Lil_Tuffy

Spaceboy

Spaceboy

Dallas, TX
October 2004

AUG 30, 2005 07:22 PM

AceTracer said:

lil_tuffy said:

Max16Characters said:
Actually it's closer to 300,000 people dead in the Tsunami with lots more missing. The guys stressed, but honestly, that's the only thing he could possibly use as a basis of comparison to let people know how dire the situation is.




It's next to impossible to find accurate numbers anyway these days. I looked at CNN and found four or five different numbers. The 68 was the most current casualty count I could find.

The comment just struck me as sensationalism. It's like the equivalent of Tony Blair declaring the tubeway/bus bombings as England's 9/11.

Lil_Tuffy


Except it was their 9/11. Just like Spain's bombings was their 9/11. And this is our tsunami.

They're comparing experiences, not numbers.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by AceTracer]



I don't quite think that's accurate. It seems that 9/11 has become the standard reference of time in the US. As in something either happened pre 9/11 or post 9/11. It was that big of a deal to everyone. I doubt that in Spain or England they will be doing the same thing with the bombings they had. See if you can go a week going to work, watching TV and doing everyday stuff without hearing 9/11 mentioned.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 by Spaceboy]

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

AUG 30, 2005 07:30 PM

"Comparisons are odious"

-Cervantes

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