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Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

AUG 29, 2005 04:34 PM

Flickr.com, named "Breakout of the Year" at the 2005 Webby Awards, is a popular photosharing website where users can "tag" their images with keywords so they are easily searchable. Yahoo! bought Flickr's parent company in March, and is starting to make some changes that aren't going over too well with the Flickr community. For instance, Yahoo! is about to change Flickr's format so that every Flickr account must be attached to a valid Yahoo! account, and some Flickr users are threatening account suicide over the move.

"If Flickr really forces me to join Yahoo in 2006 in order to still use my account, I will quit 24 hours before the deadline," wrote Thomas Müller, a Hamburg, Germany-based artist who shows more than 1,400 photos at the site. On Wednesday, Müller created a protest group, Flick Off, that has attracted almost 400 members.

At stake is a new user-profile stipulation that reads: "We will be migrating all independent Flickr accounts to Yahoo's network in 2006. At that time, if you have not done so already, you will be asked to create a Yahoo ID (or link your account to your Yahoo ID if you already have one) in order to continue using your account."

"This comes after many of us have invested so much time and effort; it makes it a chore to do anything except bend over, grab our ankles and smile," said Dana Smith, a San Francisco-based Flick Off supporter whose photographs rank among Flickr's most interesting material.



The Flickr community is rather close-knit, and is not looking forward to being integrated with the wide world of Yahoo!.

There is also the matter of potentially having your Flickr photos deleted. Any Flickr account not attached to a Yahoo! account will be deleted. If a Flickr user stops using his or her Yahoo! account and the Yahoo! account is deactivated, the Flickr account and all the images stored in it will disappear as well.

Having been a part of several online communities as they experienced growing pains (including Suicidegirls.com), I can relate to the the weighing-in from professor Sherry Turkle, director of MIT's Initiative on Technology and Self and author of Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet:

"So many of us don't have a gathering place that feels comfortable and communal," she said. "For those who found that on Flickr.com, its transformation into a 'service' on Yahoo is a loss; they are losing something important to them.

"It is a harbinger of the greater sensitivity we need to show in the future as we take more seriously the psychological importance of our digital lives."

Cottser

Cottser

London, ON
April 2004

AUG 29, 2005 05:31 PM

Brutal. I'm not even a Flickr user but I can definitely feel their pain. I'm crossing my fingers that Yahoo! figures out what's up.

Gwendolyn

Gwendolyn

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

AUG 29, 2005 05:50 PM

That sucks.

I used to be a regular in a chatroom on the WebChat Broadcasting System (WBS) until Infoseek bought it out.

I met with my online friends in a chatroom almost every day for a couple of years... and then bam!... another company came in and took it over and completely changed it, ruining everything.

I know how these people feel.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

AUG 29, 2005 05:57 PM

socalsk1nhead said:
Yahoo did the same thing with Geocities.



Yeah, except Geocities has always been lame.

BlueCadet

BlueCadet

Austin, TX
August 2003

AUG 29, 2005 06:02 PM

Shalome said:

socalsk1nhead said:
Yahoo did the same thing with Geocities.



Yeah, except Geocities has always been lame.



Ha ha, take that Geocities!

AndrewB

AndrewB

Victoria, BC
August 2003

AUG 29, 2005 06:02 PM

That is shitty news. I'm not a Flickr member, but I can definitely relate.

tellyfone

tellyfone

Ithaca, NY
December 2004

AUG 29, 2005 06:44 PM

I'm a Flickr member. I actually have a Yahoo account. But I still wonder what else Yahoo has up its sleeve? I mean, it's lind of like the difference between a really cool local CD shop and Wal-Mart, know what I mean?

Attention Missy: PUH-LEASE, never, ever sell out SG to some digital media conglomerate.You just know they're going to crappify one of the few worthwhile sex/community sites on the web!

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 29, 2005 06:52 PM

This will be interesting to see if the whole userbase picks up and leaves, thus making the actual value of the service that they paid for a lot less.

As for me, im more of a smugmug man myself

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

AUG 29, 2005 07:03 PM

We will not stand for this minor inconvenience, schweinehunde!

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

AUG 29, 2005 07:06 PM

For all the users that leave, I'm sure that even more will find out about Flickr because of its integration into Yahoo. That said, Yahoo's idea of integration is frankly terrible, and seems to do little more than give you a single username across a variety of services. Interfaces for acquired services are usually brought down to the same level of incoherence, and their idea of targeted advertising is laughable. It doesn't seem like they've made any real effort to tie their disparate backends together, either- they're still using eGroups headers in mail sent through their Groups service, and they bought and integrated eGroups something like six years ago, and they weren't able to offer spam filtering for the Groups stuff until a couple of years after they did so for Mail.

Poser

Poser

Tampa, FL
May 2003

AUG 29, 2005 07:25 PM

Shalome said:
Flickr.com, named "Breakout of the Year" at the 2005 Webby Awards, is a popular photosharing website where users can "tag" their images with keywords so they are easily searchable. Yahoo! bought Flickr's parent company in March, and is starting to make some changes that aren't going over too well with the Flickr community. For instance, Yahoo! is about to change Flickr's format so that every Flickr account must be attached to a valid Yahoo! account, and some Flickr users are threatening account suicide over the move.

"If Flickr really forces me to join Yahoo in 2006 in order to still use my account, I will quit 24 hours before the deadline," wrote Thomas Müller, a Hamburg, Germany-based artist who shows more than 1,400 photos at the site. On Wednesday, Müller created a protest group, Flick Off, that has attracted almost 400 members.

At stake is a new user-profile stipulation that reads: "We will be migrating all independent Flickr accounts to Yahoo's network in 2006. At that time, if you have not done so already, you will be asked to create a Yahoo ID (or link your account to your Yahoo ID if you already have one) in order to continue using your account."

"This comes after many of us have invested so much time and effort; it makes it a chore to do anything except bend over, grab our ankles and smile," said Dana Smith, a San Francisco-based Flick Off supporter whose photographs rank among Flickr's most interesting material.



The Flickr community is rather close-knit, and is not looking forward to being integrated with the wide world of Yahoo!.

There is also the matter of potentially having your Flickr photos deleted. Any Flickr account not attached to a Yahoo! account will be deleted. If a Flickr user stops using his or her Yahoo! account and the Yahoo! account is deactivated, the Flickr account and all the images stored in it will disappear as well.

Having been a part of several online communities as they experienced growing pains (including Suicidegirls.com), I can relate to the the weighing-in from professor Sherry Turkle, director of MIT's Initiative on Technology and Self and author of Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet:

"So many of us don't have a gathering place that feels comfortable and communal," she said. "For those who found that on Flickr.com, its transformation into a 'service' on Yahoo is a loss; they are losing something important to them.

"It is a harbinger of the greater sensitivity we need to show in the future as we take more seriously the psychological importance of our digital lives."



...and this my friends..like reality will lead to internet sprawl. I don't really see the drama in this, just a repeat and same mistakes as always.

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 29, 2005 08:24 PM

Great title to this one by the way, good title. smile

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

AUG 29, 2005 10:22 PM

on the one hand, yahoo is going to completely bone this up.

on the other hand, a few more vancouver geeks got rich off it. woo!

mr5oclock

mr5oclock

Morgantown, WV
December 2002

AUG 29, 2005 10:35 PM

Whoah, Infoseek. There's a blast from the past! I'm a Flickr member and this worries me. But I mean, it's not that bad yet. I'm more worried about Rupert Murdoch buying Myspace...

neutronflow

neutronflow

Sandy, UT
June 2003

AUG 29, 2005 11:08 PM

Gwendolyn said
I used to be a regular in a chatroom on the WebChat Broadcasting System (WBS) until Infoseek bought it out.



WBS was great!

The thing didn't really fall apart until Disney bought Infoseek, though.

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 12:09AM]

[Edited on Aug 30, 2005 12:09AM]

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

AUG 29, 2005 11:23 PM

Found Müller's post.

This could be a bad thing, but it might not: I think Flickr is awesome, mainly because of the public aspect of the site -- it's the tags and most interesting features that make it what it is.

But your average Yahoo user doesn't get that. They don't want to share. I've seen this first hand when I tried to introduce someone to Flickr. Their reaction was "I don't want everyone to see my photos!" Even though there are privacy settings. A lot of people just don't get it.

More hilariously, there are some people in my family who are into that genealogy stuff, you know, where you dig up records of deceased relatives. And a lot of those people don't want to share their data. How in the hell do they expect to accomplish anything in that field without sharing... surreal

Anyway, my point is that maybe the onrush of Yahoozoids will have a similar reaction.

Then again, maybe it will ruin Flickr, I dunno.

whitepuma

whitepuma

Australia
March 2004

AUG 30, 2005 01:17 AM

i say some smart cookie creates a new flicker site and all current flicker users just migrate to that and then yahoo is fucked is it not and jus paid a lot of money for nothing if there is nothing on it.

GravesForTheDays

GravesForTheDays

Grand Rapids, MI
November 2003

AUG 30, 2005 08:05 AM

When are these mega-companies going to learn that they should just leave shit alone?
And threatening to delete accounts and photos because you don't register your yahoo id?

lame.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

AUG 30, 2005 08:08 AM

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

AUG 30, 2005 08:58 PM

So no blame for Ludicorp (Flickr's parent company) for selling their company to Yahoo?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 30, 2005 09:02 PM

Cigarette said:
So no blame for Ludicorp (Flickr's parent company) for selling their company to Yahoo?




They were offering a free service, and someone offered them serious money for it.

So while they may be "sellouts"....i think anyone here would probably do the same thing.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

AUG 30, 2005 09:07 PM

Reminds me of what happened to mp3.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3.com

[Edited on Aug 31, 2005 by AceTracer]

porcelainheart

porcelainheart

Lafayette, LA
February 2004

AUG 30, 2005 09:10 PM

AceTracer said:
Reminds me of what happened to mp3.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3.com

[Edited on Aug 31, 2005 by AceTracer]



i was thinking the same thing. this sucks, i just joined flickr not too long ago.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

AUG 30, 2005 09:12 PM

Yahoo also has a history of doing this. When they bought OneList and converted it to Yahoo Groups, they were notorious for making sweeping changes with little or no warning. At one point they moved over to a new system which for many groups resulted in most if not all data loss. They like to use the philosophy of "we can do whatever we want because it's free".

MustiMan

MustiMan

Finland
OLD SKOOL

AUG 31, 2005 03:33 AM

I'm more than unhappy about this. Yahoo's real customers are advertisers, which means that the users of theirs services are just something to be exploited.. frown

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