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stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

AUG 26, 2005 04:00 PM

love US envoy sets out to wreck UN reform deal
By Francis Harris in Washington
(Filed: 26/08/2005)

America's controversial new ambassador to the United Nations is threatening to torpedo 12 months of negotiations on the reform of the organisation.

With only three weeks to go before world leaders arrive in New York to agree the deal, ambassador John Bolton has tabled at least 500 amendments.

In a letter to fellow UN ambassadors, Mr Bolton said the 38-page document might have to be ditched altogether and replaced with a far less detailed alternative. The letter, which was leaked yesterday, asks other ambassadors to remain "open to alternative formats if they help us achieve consensus".

Mr Bolton's intervention has greatly raised the stakes in the search for a deal. America is now effectively asking the world whether it wants a new deal, or no deal.

The agreement was negotiated by all UN members states, but its predictably UN tone seems to have angered the no-nonsense Mr Bolton, a former senior state department official.

Large sections would commit Washington to policies with which it profoundly disagrees. America is being asked to promise 0.7 per cent of its national income for foreign aid; acknowledge the role of the International Criminal Court, which it has not joined; and cut extreme poverty and introduce primary education for all children within 10 years.

America wants the UN to back fundamental reform of the organisation's management structure; to agree measures to fight terrorism and to abolish its human rights machinery. OUTRAGEOUS!

The ambassador's intervention is precisely what his supporters wanted. American conservatives believe the UN is corrupt and unaccountable. Congress is currently examining a Bill that would cut off American funds unless the UN makes major changes.

Nile Gardiner, an analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said: "Bolton is sending a very clear message that the US is not going to go along with [the UN secretary general] Kofi Annan's definition of reform. Bolton is throwing down the gauntlet to the UN establishment."

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/26/wus26.xml

[Edited on Aug 26, 2005 by stockula]

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

AUG 26, 2005 04:06 PM

Congress is currently examining a Bill that would cut off American funds unless the UN makes major changes.


And Bolton is there to stop any major changes.
So he is really there to get the US out of the UN.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

AUG 26, 2005 04:11 PM

GramNegative said:

Congress is currently examining a Bill that would cut off American funds unless the UN makes major changes.


And Bolton is there to stop any major changes.
So he is really there to get the US out of the UN.



"changes" the UN decided upon. Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself. Which is what the UN's doing, and what Bolton is decrying, and why a man like him is desperately needed at that shithole.

monkeybuttt

monkeybuttt

Los Angeles, CA
June 2005

AUG 26, 2005 04:13 PM

i have no comment that could describe the enormous idiocy of the point this thread is trying to make. therefore, i will hold my tongue.

thorr74

thorr74

Sylvan Lake, AB
December 2004

AUG 26, 2005 04:15 PM

ohhhhh JOHN Bolton......that so not as interesting as what I was thinking it was......something about MICHEAL Bolton.....that kat's cool

Ahriman

Ahriman

North York, ON
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 04:40 PM

stockula said:

GramNegative said:

Congress is currently examining a Bill that would cut off American funds unless the UN makes major changes.


And Bolton is there to stop any major changes.
So he is really there to get the US out of the UN.



"changes" the UN decided upon. Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself. Which is what the UN's doing, and what Bolton is decrying, and why a man like him is desperately needed at that shithole.




What are the alternatives then? Set up an independant body to reform and govern an independant body?

Or perhaps have the UN be reformed in a way more benefical to US( or any other single government for that matter) policies?

I don't understand how saying twelve months of work amongst a multitude of countries being sidelined by any one country is good thing?

I don't think this is a John Bolton issue. This is power sharing issue between the US and other countries in the UN. John Bolton has no tact, but I hardly think that his ammendments are his alone.

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

AUG 26, 2005 04:43 PM

Bolton is not the answer but the UN needs serious real reform. No more Rwandas...

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

AUG 27, 2005 06:16 AM

America wants the UN to back fundamental reform of the organisation's management structure; to agree measures to fight terrorism and to abolish its human rights machinery



America wants to make the UN a servant to US foreign Policy

It is really irritating, on the road to global dominance, to have to deal with all of these extraneous issues - like the concerns of the other 192 sovereign nations in the world.

Fucking gnats.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

AUG 27, 2005 06:40 AM

stockula said:
Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself.



If that was true, all institutions would be corrupt. Is that really what you mean?

pananarama

pananarama

Worcester, MA
August 2003

AUG 27, 2005 06:50 AM

Great we pissed of France, irritated England, Enraged Germany, didn't do a whole lotta good in the mideast, enflamed Iraq and Afganistan, now let's annoy the rest of'em. To be honest, I haven't yet read the texts you refer to at the top, so I can't say one way or the other but "abolish it's human rights machinery" that can never be a good thing.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

AUG 31, 2005 04:46 PM

waldo said:

stockula said:
Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself.



If that was true, all institutions would be corrupt. Is that really what you mean?



Any answer?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 31, 2005 05:40 PM

hadees said:
Bolton is not the answer but the UN needs serious real reform. No more Rwandas...




Agree'd

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

AUG 31, 2005 06:02 PM

thorr74 said:
ohhhhh JOHN Bolton......that so not as interesting as what I was thinking it was......something about MICHEAL Bolton.....that kat's cool


"How am I supposed to achieve international consensus withoooouuuuut yooouuuuu?"

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 31, 2005 07:59 PM

waldo said:

stockula said:
Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself.



If that was true, all institutions would be corrupt. Is that really what you mean?



how do you figure...?

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

SEP 01, 2005 03:39 PM

Sorry, finger trouble.

[Edited on Sep 01, 2005 by waldo]

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

SEP 01, 2005 03:45 PM

Helter said:

waldo said:

stockula said:
Stupidest thing you could ask a corrupt insitution is for it to mandate measures to reform itself.



If that was true, all institutions would be corrupt. Is that really what you mean?



how do you figure...?



Where would any impulse to reform come from?

How would anyone gain sufficient influence to drive that reform, without being corrupt themselves and thus liable to lose from it?