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dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

JUL 19, 2005 03:54 PM

£40 for a girl. No, not just for an hour or a 'happy ending', that's £40 to buy a baby girl from China.

The youngest of the 27 babies rescued when police swooped on a baby-trafficking gang in the central Chinese province of Henan was only ten days old, the oldest 18 months. Other infants had already perished from lack of care.

[...]

Would-be parents are willing to pay up to £1,500 for a baby – more than the average annual income. That means that the traffickers can make hefty profits, although their costs are rising – possibly pushed up by an escalating police crackdown.

Two years ago in southwestern Yunnan province, poor families or single mothers were prepared to sell a prized baby boy for £40 or a girl for £15.

Today, a trafficker in that remote and poor rural region must pay £75 for a boy and almost £40 for a girl.


Being sold is lousy, but some girls have it worse.

Fuelling the trade is China’s strict birth-control policy. The “one couple, one child” family planning rule prompts some parents, particularly in the countryside, to kill baby girls and try again for a boy.

Some couples are prepared to buy a baby boy rather than risk giving birth to a girl.


So why, if girls are so unwanted, does anyone buy them? The horrific answer is: to make sure there's someone for their son to marry.

One consequence of the one-child policy has been that boys now vastly outnumber girls — a result of abortions of unwanted female foetuses or of female infanticide.

That means that parents anxious to guarantee their son a bride prefer to leave nothing to chance and to buy a baby girl.

The traffickers have also found other lucrative markets among poor farmers who cannot attract a wife and want to buy a child bride, or among ChinaÂ’s burgeoning brothels.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JUL 19, 2005 05:20 PM

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JUL 19, 2005 05:23 PM

When I was an infant my parents got offered $2000 for me by some guy on the street in Chicago.

They ran in terror.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

JUL 19, 2005 05:25 PM

"£40 for a girl"

£15 for a girl

D0BERMANN

D0BERMANN

Quebec, QC
May 2004

JUL 19, 2005 05:28 PM

Shalome said:
When I was an infant my parents got offered $2000 for me by some guy on the street in Chicago.

They ran in terror.


After they made the transaction? confused

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

JUL 19, 2005 05:33 PM

What an all round shitty business.

frown

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

JUL 19, 2005 05:46 PM

god, that's sad. frown

_Sakura

_Sakura

United Kingdom
June 2005

JUL 19, 2005 05:48 PM


"£40 for a girl"

£15 for a girl



"Today, a trafficker in that remote and poor rural region must pay £75 for a boy and almost £40 for a girl."

Did I manage to quote right...? shocked

Wren

Wren

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

JUL 19, 2005 05:50 PM

I was under the impression that some people "in the countryside" - specifically farmers - were allowed to have more than one child.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

JUL 19, 2005 05:51 PM

indigoxchild said:


"£40 for a girl"

£15 for a girl



"Today, a trafficker in that remote and poor rural region must pay £75 for a boy and almost £40 for a girl."

Did I manage to quote right...? shocked



Yeah, you're right.

[Edited on Jul 19, 2005 by Keith]

Admiral_Pants

Admiral_Pants

Austin, TX
May 2004

JUL 19, 2005 05:55 PM

Keith said:
"£40 for a girl"

£15 for a girl


£30, and that's my final offer.


I am so going to hell.

[Edited on Jul 19, 2005 by ExcitableBoy]

allergic

allergic

Saint Petersburg, FL
October 2004

JUL 19, 2005 05:57 PM

wait, you mean china doesn't respect human rights?

MissTyrios

misstyrios

NEWSWIRE

Allston, MA

JUL 19, 2005 07:08 PM

Ironically, China actually has one of the best-run and most respected international adoption programs in the world. Their orphanages are generally overcrowded, but the care is good and children are treated well. However, giving your baby away in order to be adopted by (most likely) a Western parent/family is probably not as enticing to some as selling your baby away. Yet opponents of international adoption argue that the practice itself encourages black market baby selling (though mostly on an international level - i.e., parents offering to sell their babies to Western parents looking to adopt).

If my article on this very subject had been accepted for publication, I could direct you to it. But...damn my publishers.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

JUL 19, 2005 07:25 PM

MissTyrios said:
Ironically, China actually has one of the best-run and most respected international adoption programs in the world. Their orphanages are generally overcrowded, but the care is good and children are treated well. However, giving your baby away in order to be adopted by (most likely) a Western parent/family is probably not as enticing to some as selling your baby away. Yet opponents of international adoption argue that the practice itself encourages black market baby selling (though mostly on an international level - i.e., parents offering to sell their babies to Western parents looking to adopt).

If my article on this very subject had been accepted for publication, I could direct you to it. But...damn my publishers.




It sounds kind of bizarre, but this situation has a lot of similarities with the drug war. If the adoption program in China is well run, then why don't they figure out some way to give the parents a "stipend" or something? I mean, if the alternative is an awful human trafficking racket, then why not pull the rug out from under it by removing the financial incentive?

That honestly sounds like a better alternative to me. Yes, technically, the government would be "buying" children, but it's still better... am I a sicko?

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

JUL 19, 2005 07:28 PM

MissTyrios said:
Ironically, China actually has one of the best-run and most respected international adoption programs in the world. Their orphanages are generally overcrowded, but the care is good and children are treated well. However, giving your baby away in order to be adopted by (most likely) a Western parent/family is probably not as enticing to some as selling your baby away. Yet opponents of international adoption argue that the practice itself encourages black market baby selling (though mostly on an international level - i.e., parents offering to sell their babies to Western parents looking to adopt).

If my article on this very subject had been accepted for publication, I could direct you to it. But...damn my publishers.



My sister's second adopted daughter must be an exception to the rule then. She's only two and has already had a root canal. eeek

MissTyrios

misstyrios

NEWSWIRE

Allston, MA

JUL 19, 2005 07:33 PM

Holden_Caulfield said:

MissTyrios said:
Ironically, China actually has one of the best-run and most respected international adoption programs in the world. Their orphanages are generally overcrowded, but the care is good and children are treated well. However, giving your baby away in order to be adopted by (most likely) a Western parent/family is probably not as enticing to some as selling your baby away. Yet opponents of international adoption argue that the practice itself encourages black market baby selling (though mostly on an international level - i.e., parents offering to sell their babies to Western parents looking to adopt).

If my article on this very subject had been accepted for publication, I could direct you to it. But...damn my publishers.



My sister's second adopted daughter must be an exception to the rule then. She's only two and has already had a root canal. eeek



A lot of the kids do have some health problems - but compared to orphanges in, say, Romania, China's are well-run. My cousin couldn't walk or talk at all at age 2 when my aunt and uncle brought her here from China, but she learned very quickly. She had some bonding/adjusting issues for a short time (individualized attention and nurturing is obviously lacking in a vast, state-run orphanage), but now, she can't be distinguished from any other 4-year-old.

cretinsa11

cretinsa11

Buffalo, NY
June 2005

JUL 19, 2005 08:26 PM

I see nothing wrong with just finding people to adopt them in this country... better they have a chance here than be sold. mad mad

things like this make me feel bad for people.

cretinsa11

cretinsa11

Buffalo, NY
June 2005

JUL 19, 2005 08:27 PM

MissTyrios
If my article on this very subject had been accepted for publication, I could direct you to it. But...damn my publishers.




can I read it anyway?

[Edited on Jul 19, 2005 by cretinsa11]

AgnosticF

AgnosticF

Germany
January 2005

JUL 19, 2005 11:30 PM

uh, more recources for ebay...

puke

i don't understand it. poor people make babies only for the old traditions and the pension.
if it's a boy, it's good. if it's a girl, they sell it. how sick is this?

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JUL 20, 2005 12:01 AM

AgnosticF said:


i don't understand it. poor people make babies only for the old traditions and the pension.



Yes, because as we all know, rural areas of developing nations have full access to family planning education and have access to and the money for safe, reliable birth control methods, so of course they're only having babies for tradition and money...
confused

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JUL 20, 2005 12:05 AM

Jesus Christ, man. I always hear about this kind of thing, and it makes me so sad. Isn't the infanticide about equally bad in India as well?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

JUL 20, 2005 12:11 AM

Can I ask a question, and I'm completely serious.

It's okay to give your baby away for adoption, and it's okay for someone to pay to you to say, be a surrogate mother for their child, why is it so bad for someone to pay you for your child? It's just accepted that this is VERY BAD, but I've never quite heard why. It reminds me of prostitution, kind of. "It's okay to give it away to whoever you want, but don't SELL IT!"

I understand that no one would want a baby farm or whatever, but seriously, can anyone answer this for me?

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JUL 20, 2005 12:14 AM

Keith said:
Can I ask a question, and I'm completely serious.

It's okay to give your baby away for adoption, and it's okay for someone to pay to you to say, be a surrogate mother for their child, why is it so bad for someone to pay you for your child? It's just accepted that this is VERY BAD, but I've never quite heard why. It reminds me of prostitution, kind of. "It's okay to give it away to whoever you want, but don't SELL IT!"

I understand that no one would want a baby farm or whatever, but seriously, can anyone answer this for me?



Because of the fact that we want to believe that human life is invaluable, and that to put a price tag on a living breathing human being is wrong no matter what the other options are.

It's the belief that we are above that, that we are not actually slaves to money, even though in the long history of humankind people have been bought, sold, and traded the entire time -- especially those deemed worthless or unwanted by their culture.

Pallas

Pallas

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUL 20, 2005 12:19 AM

Shalome said:

Keith said:
Can I ask a question, and I'm completely serious.

It's okay to give your baby away for adoption, and it's okay for someone to pay to you to say, be a surrogate mother for their child, why is it so bad for someone to pay you for your child? It's just accepted that this is VERY BAD, but I've never quite heard why. It reminds me of prostitution, kind of. "It's okay to give it away to whoever you want, but don't SELL IT!"

I understand that no one would want a baby farm or whatever, but seriously, can anyone answer this for me?





Because of the fact that we want to believe that human life is invaluable, and that to put a price tag on a living breathing human being is wrong no matter what the other options are.

It's the belief that we are above that, that we are not actually slaves to money, even though in the long history of humankind people have been bought, sold, and traded the entire time -- especially those deemed worthless or unwanted by their culture.



Some adoptions do involve money to the parent, at least for their medical bills and basic needs wihile the child is growing. I think the issue here is that the babies are grossly mistreated and sold like objects on the street that is the problem.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JUL 20, 2005 12:23 AM

Pallas said:

Shalome said:

Keith said:
Can I ask a question, and I'm completely serious.

It's okay to give your baby away for adoption, and it's okay for someone to pay to you to say, be a surrogate mother for their child, why is it so bad for someone to pay you for your child? It's just accepted that this is VERY BAD, but I've never quite heard why. It reminds me of prostitution, kind of. "It's okay to give it away to whoever you want, but don't SELL IT!"

I understand that no one would want a baby farm or whatever, but seriously, can anyone answer this for me?





Because of the fact that we want to believe that human life is invaluable, and that to put a price tag on a living breathing human being is wrong no matter what the other options are.

It's the belief that we are above that, that we are not actually slaves to money, even though in the long history of humankind people have been bought, sold, and traded the entire time -- especially those deemed worthless or unwanted by their culture.



Some adoptions do involve money to the parent, at least for their medical bills and basic needs wihile the child is growing. I think the issue here is that the babies are grossly mistreated and sold like objects on the street that is the problem.




Were there allegations of mistreatment in this article?

Would it be better to turn a girl child face down in the box of ashes that was traditionally kept under the birth-bed for that purpose?

[Edited on Jul 20, 2005 by Shalome]

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