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Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

JUL 15, 2005 04:16 PM

This, too, is terrorism.

On Sunday, two white men threw petrol into the letterbox of the Shajala Mosque in Birkenhead, northern England, and ignited it. The assistant imam, Boshir Ullah was trapped inside in his upstairs bedroom as the fire blazed on the landing outside. Fire crews pulled him to safety from an upstairs window and extinguished the blaze, the Independent newspaper reported.

The previous day, when members of the town's predominantly Bangladeshi Muslim community went to the mosque, they were greeted by individuals shouting: "Paki, Paki." Also on Sunday, in Nottingham, a 48-year-old man from Pakistan died after what police are treating as, a racially motivated attack.

On Saturday, windows were smashed at the Mazhirul Ulooms mosques in Mile End, in London's East End, and a firebomb attack was carried out on a mosque in Wellington, Shropshire, in the Midlands.


Well, yelling “Paki, Paki" at people who aren’t even from Pakistan isn’t terrorism, it’s just brainless bigotry. But firebombing a mosque? It’s no different from firebombing a church – which is something that happened a while back in Pakistan. Attacks such as these are clearly attacks on entire communities. They are far worse than other kinds of violent crimes because they can – and sometimes do – lead to sectarian civil war. See Lebanon and Yugoslavia for examples within living memory.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUL 15, 2005 04:26 PM

What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?

The_Happy_Pig

The_Happy_Pig

United Kingdom
December 2004

JUL 15, 2005 04:29 PM

And so it begins frown

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

JUL 15, 2005 04:36 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



Yeah, if they didn't want to be raped, they shouldn't have worn such a short skirt.

Or am I getting my blame the victim responses confused?

Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

JUL 15, 2005 04:44 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?


The bigotry and the hate were clearly pre-existing. Non-hateful non-bigoted people do not violently attack others solely based on their ethnicity or religion.

Some of us are aware that Muslims make up the majority of the victims of Islamist violence worldwide. I assume you're aware of this, yes? Look how many Muslims are killed by Islamists in Baghdad alone, not to mention Algeria and Sudan.

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

JUL 15, 2005 04:48 PM

I wouldn't call it terrorism but they are a violent racially motivated attacks that should be equally condemned and I hope the local communities do their best to show that thet are not indicative of them and do their best to help bring the perpetrators to justice.

emptymouthpiece

emptymouthpiece

I'm lost
May 2005

JUL 15, 2005 04:50 PM

Ah, nothing like sitting silently and basking in the glory of watching people do what they seem to do best....

frown

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

JUL 15, 2005 04:53 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



I'm sure it couldn't be retaliation for anything. According to you things like that never happen. whatever

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

JUL 15, 2005 04:54 PM

MrSorrow said:
Ah, nothing like sitting silently and basking in the glory of watching people do what they seem to do best....

frown


confused

Volkov

Volkov

San Antonio, TX
OLD SKOOL

JUL 15, 2005 05:04 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



I'm not sure what the point is. It isn't justified in any case. and I'm sure you didn't mean to say that it was. it just doesn't seem topical to point out that people are pushed to respond to the events that happen in their place.

it's like the swell of hatecrimes against anyone vaguely of Middle Eastern and Indian heritage that occurred in this country after 9/11

scrubbinsjs

scrubbinsjs

Fort Campbell, KY
April 2005

JUL 15, 2005 05:05 PM

fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do. burning churches and mosks, or indiscriminate attacks are thoroughly unjustified, especially considering as one of you pointed out that terrorist are killing alot of muslims already.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JUL 15, 2005 05:08 PM

Volkov said:

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



I'm not sure what the point is.


Stockula makes a snide remark and you assume there's a point? tongue

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 15, 2005 05:09 PM

squee said:

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



I'm sure it couldn't be retaliation for anything. According to you things like that never happen. whatever


That's exactly what I was thinking.

Stock, don't you remember saying that people concerned about a backlash against people of middle-eastern/south-asian descent didn't know what they were talking about, and implying that these sorts of things wouldn't happen?

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

JUL 15, 2005 05:10 PM

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.



Yeah, like Stormfront.org, and the World Church of the Creator. When will muslims take responsibility?!

kurse23

kurse23

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 15, 2005 05:17 PM

I do believe I read something to the effect that you said this sort of stuff never happened. I think you asked for proff of it. I am sure you would have preferred to have been proven correct. We all would have.

Again. Fire bad.

[Edited on Jul 15, 2005 5:18PM]

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 15, 2005 05:41 PM

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.


Bull
Shit

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

JUL 15, 2005 05:44 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



Stock, When a bear eats someone does it make sense for his family to fly up to Alaska and kill a few dozen bears?

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUL 15, 2005 06:03 PM

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.



Yep.

Killing and jailing the assholes only goes so far. So long as dickweeds like this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3752517.stm
are not only supported by the Ummah but the British welfare system as well, dont expect anything different in the years to come.

If vigilante justice is unappealling to you, then stave it off by dealing with the problem. Throw the radicals out. Dont subsidize them. Spy and watch their every move and communication. If they complain, tell them them to return to Pakistan where they will feel more at home.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

JUL 15, 2005 06:14 PM

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



Look carefully at the soiled remnant of your soul, Mr Deathsquad.

life_returns

life_returns

Oakland, CA
April 2003

JUL 15, 2005 06:14 PM

stockula said:

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.



Yep.

Killing and jailing the assholes only goes so far. So long as dickweeds like this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3752517.stm
are not only supported by the Ummah but the British welfare system as well, dont expect anything different in the years to come.

If vigilante justice is unappealling to you, then stave it off by dealing with the problem. Throw the radicals out. Dont subsidize them. Spy and watch their every move and communication. If they complain, tell them them to return to Pakistan where they will feel more at home.


Ballsy. Stupid but ballsy.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

JUL 15, 2005 06:35 PM

adamcore said:

stockula said:

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.



Yep.

Killing and jailing the assholes only goes so far. So long as dickweeds like this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3752517.stm
are not only supported by the Ummah but the British welfare system as well, dont expect anything different in the years to come.

If vigilante justice is unappealling to you, then stave it off by dealing with the problem. Throw the radicals out. Dont subsidize them. Spy and watch their every move and communication. If they complain, tell them them to return to Pakistan where they will feel more at home.


Ballsy. Stupid but ballsy.



Counterproductive, the pair of them - stockula and Hamza. Don't encourage either one.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 15, 2005 06:53 PM

stockula said:

scrubbinsjs said:
fact is that muslims as a community have a responsiblity to weed out the bad seeds out of thier community, which they have refused to do.



Yep.

Killing and jailing the assholes only goes so far. So long as dickweeds like this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3752517.stm
are not only supported by the Ummah but the British welfare system as well, dont expect anything different in the years to come.

If vigilante justice is unappealling to you, then stave it off by dealing with the problem. Throw the radicals out. Dont subsidize them. Spy and watch their every move and communication. If they complain, tell them them to return to Pakistan where they will feel more at home.




Stock, please stop pretending to care about things over here in order to talk rubbish.

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

JUL 15, 2005 07:14 PM

Volkov said:

stockula said:
What could have sparked this outburst of bigoted hate?



I'm not sure what the point is. It isn't justified in any case.and I'm sure you didn't mean to say that it was . it just doesn't seem topical to point out that people are pushed to respond to the events that happen in their place.

it's like the swell of hatecrimes against anyone vaguely of Middle Eastern and Indian heritage that occurred in this country after 9/11



Emphasis added. You obviously are unfamiliar with Stockula. That is exactly what he meant to say.

Oh and no use comparing it to the hate crimes here. Stock doesn't believe those happened. The only person I have ever seen in more denial was a guy who was convinced the Holocaust was fake.

[Edited on Jul 15, 2005 by squee]

mattnewjersey

mattnewjersey

West New York, NJ
May 2005

JUL 15, 2005 07:21 PM

YOU PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ALOT SMARTER THAN I..... JUST TWO THINGS,,, WHEN FOLKS ARE ANGERED THEIR MINDS DONT SEEM TO WORK PROPERLY.. WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT ? ALL THE ROTTEN EMOTIONS ELAVATE. SPELLING??! WHEN THEIR COUNTRY ATTACHED , THEN C OME FEAR REVENGE ,ALL THAT GOOD UNGODLY STUFF.. THE GUY WHO SAID THE MUSLIMS WERE SUPPPOSED TO WEED OUT THE BAD SEEDS IN THEIR CITY,WELL WHY DON T THEY?!! ARE THEY JUST SCARED? I DONT UNDERSTAND......

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

JUL 15, 2005 07:25 PM

I am really not trying to flame you. But I just have to tell you that people will take you a lot more seriously if you take off the caps lock.

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