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Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 10, 2005 12:59 PM

After Thursday's bombings in Central London, British Muslims (and, indeed, most of the intelligent population at large) became concerned that hints at Al-Qa'ida involvement would lead to unnessecary reprisals against Muslims, and possibly the British Asian people in general. Now, predictably, concern, confusion, fear and paranoia have arisen within the Muslim community. However, some Muslims are saying that it is time for the Islamic community to do something about the more pressing concern of how to disassociate themselves with terrorism.

Muslim leaders in Britain have met and decided to place a 'fatwa' (relgious judgement) on terrorists.

It is expected that the religious ruling, which will be drafted this week, will effectively outlaw the bombers among Muslims by stating the attacks were a breach of the most basic tenets of Islam.

[...]

Signed by dozens of prominent Muslim bodies, mosques, Islamic scholars and community groups, the [Muslim Council of Britain] will also state that Muslims have a moral duty to help the police catch the perpetrators.


So by 'outlawing' supposed followers of Islam who murder and terrorize, will the faith manage to cleanse its tarnished image and shake the notion that somehow all Islam is an enemy of the West? Is this finally a decisive move in the right direction, or too little too late?

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

JUL 10, 2005 01:28 PM

so by putting "outlawing" in quotations are you suggesting that they should not merely write a fatwa, but enforce it as well?

druhol

druhol

Loomis, CA
January 2004

JUL 10, 2005 01:30 PM

alpha_hazard said:
so by putting "outlawing" in quotations are you suggesting that they should not merely write a fatwa, but enforce it as well?



I'd imagine that the quotation marks stem from the fact that a fatwa is a relgious, not a legal action.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 10, 2005 01:32 PM

alpha_hazard said:
so by putting "outlawing" in quotations are you suggesting that they should not merely write a fatwa, but enforce it as well?



I put it in inverted commas because it was implying it was a less than perfect way of describing what they're doing, but gave the idea.

Ollie

Ollie

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 10, 2005 01:32 PM

The thing is, I doubt a 'fatwa' will mean anything to the type of people who carry out hate/revenge attacks let alone make them think twice about doing such things... frown

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

JUL 10, 2005 01:38 PM

I think it's a step in the right direction. Shame it took the London bombings to get it to happen, though.

One_Pure_Thought

One_Pure_Thought

East Greenwich, RI
October 2003

JUL 10, 2005 01:39 PM

Ollie said:
The thing is, I doubt a 'fatwa' will mean anything to the type of people who carry out hate/revenge attacks let alone make them think twice about doing such things... frown



agreed. If anything this act against the terrorists further pushes them to believe that western muslims are not "true" muslims.

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

JUL 10, 2005 01:40 PM

Yeah, the people who are doing the bombings don't consider the mullahs issuing this fatwa "true" Muslims. It's a good signal to the rest of the world, however. I've sometimes felt that moderate Muslims have been a bit hesitant to too loudly criticize the crazy-ass fundamentalist ones for fear of inviting a more general sort of criticism of Islam (that is, they fear they'll just play into the hands of anti-Islamists), but I think they're getting that they can't stay quiet now.

photoline

photoline

Edmonton, AB
January 2005

JUL 10, 2005 02:32 PM

This declaration would be the moral equivalent of Dubya saying "Oops, my bad" after the world found out there were no more UN-outlawed WMD's in Iraq. What's done is done.

The people doing the killing -- on both sides -- have already decided what their (re)action is. The "war" continues, even though a majority of Muslims and Christians worldwide would like to see peace.

[Edited on Jul 10, 2005 3:33PM]

wolfwood

wolfwood

Madison, WI
March 2003

JUL 10, 2005 03:56 PM

waldo said:
I think it's a step in the right direction. Shame it took the London bombings to get it to happen, though.



I think it's a step in the right direction, too. It seems like the moderates have been hesistant to publicly denounce the fundamentalists, and not saying anything hasn't been working.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

JUL 10, 2005 03:57 PM

wolfwood said:

waldo said:
I think it's a step in the right direction. Shame it took the London bombings to get it to happen, though.



I think it's a step in the right direction, too. It seems like the moderates have been hesistant to publicly denounce the fundamentalists, and not saying anything hasn't been working.


I doubt anything'll change either way, but yeah, it seems good to separate yourself.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUL 11, 2005 03:44 AM

TedKoppel said:

wolfwood said:

waldo said:
I think it's a step in the right direction. Shame it took the London bombings to get it to happen, though.



I think it's a step in the right direction, too. It seems like the moderates have been hesistant to publicly denounce the fundamentalists, and not saying anything hasn't been working.


I doubt anything'll change either way, but yeah, it seems good to separate yourself.



I'm starting to think that racist or dim people will either not know anything about this, or choose to ignore it.

lock

lock

United Kingdom
December 2003

JUL 11, 2005 07:09 AM

Moderate muslims, like most ordinary people always condemn terrorist attacks. What this might do is put a dent in the number of young impressionable muslims who are recruited by the idiots in the jackets tailored by dupont.
As for the genral population they either already know that these attacks are abhorrent to the muslim faith or they don't, and i doubt this'll change their mind.

Xanippi

Xanippi

HOPEFUL

Richmond, VA

JUL 11, 2005 08:51 AM

hey look guys! isn't this great?
thats great!

mentalrage

mentalrage

United Kingdom
March 2006

JUN 30, 2007 03:27 PM

Where I work there are a lot of muslim people and I'm friends with most of them but I can pretty much guarantee that over the next few days they'll be a few assholes making with the racist paranoia driven abuse due to the latest events in London, my dad said one of my friends was "alright for one of them" which was a bit of a fucked up thing to say or is it just me?.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JUN 30, 2007 03:30 PM

Why no mention of the Glasgow bombing on the newswire today?

spamtwo

spamtwo

United Kingdom
April 2006

JUN 30, 2007 03:45 PM

edited as I'm stupid ooo aaa

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUN 30, 2007 03:47 PM

rabidrabbit said:
there were no bombings in London on Thursday, only attempted bombings.



Look at the date on the original post. wink

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JUN 30, 2007 03:49 PM

Yeah a few hours ago there was a terrorist bombing at the airport in Glasgow. Thats one attempted and one definate attack within two days.

spamtwo

spamtwo

United Kingdom
April 2006

JUN 30, 2007 03:56 PM

mingol said:

rabidrabbit said:
there were no bombings in London on Thursday, only attempted bombings.



Look at the date on the original post. wink



that will teach me not to read things properly biggrin

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 30, 2007 04:42 PM

Hopefully.

There's already a thread about the bombings in the UK.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 30, 2007 06:02 PM

mentalrage said:
Where I work there are a lot of muslim people and I'm friends with most of them but I can pretty much guarantee that over the next few days they'll be a few assholes making with the racist paranoia driven abuse due to the latest events in London, my dad said one of my friends was "alright for one of them" which was a bit of a fucked up thing to say or is it just me?.



I think it's a bit fucked-up, myself.

Glassmachine

Glassmachine

United Kingdom
November 2004

JUN 30, 2007 06:14 PM

Fucked up but very common.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 30, 2007 06:40 PM

Glassmachine said:
Fucked up but very common.



Sadly true.

mentalrage

mentalrage

United Kingdom
March 2006

JUL 01, 2007 07:37 AM

Glassmachine said:
Fucked up but very common.



I don't think it was meant in a racist way I think it's just due my dad being brought up when there wasn't much racial integration there still isn't where I live which just makes things worse, lack of understanding and ignorance leads to fear and paranoia in my experience.

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