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TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 22, 2005 10:25 AM

Ross Lightfoot, a federal government senator in Western Australia, Australia's far-away-from-anywhere state, has apparently had not just some interesting times away in the Middle East recently, but has kicked up a storm upon arriving home this week, much to the embarrassment of the Prime Minister.

Senator Lightfoot is embroiled in a scandal after News Limited papers reported allegations on Wednesday that he smuggled $US20,000 ($25,000) on behalf of Australian oil giant Woodside Petroleum as a donation to an Iraqi children's hospital in January and that he was packing a .38-calibre pistol at the time.

It has also been revealed since the allegations were first raised that Senator Lightfoot told The Weekend Australian's Middle East correspondent, Nicolas Rothwell, at a breakfast meeting on January 30, the day of the Iraqi elections, he had handed over a "small contribution" from Woodside because he believed "it was the right thing to do".

Senator Lightfoot has since denied the smuggling claims in a statement to parliament.

And his revised claim that the $US20,000 was carried in by a Kurdish government official, Simko Halmet, travelling with him, were supported yesterday when Mr Halmet said Senator Lightfoot had no knowledge of it until the money changed hands.

But several versions of what Senator Lightfoot did with a gun lent to him by his security detail on the trip prompted Mr Howard to concede his account had been confusing.

"I would agree, having listened to the interviews, that there were some differences of emphasis," Mr Howard said.


Woodside Petroleum is not enjoying the attention. (Free registration: Use SGNews/SGNews]

Woodside denies any relationship with Senator Lightfoot, although both his trips to Iraq were sponsored by Professor Robert Amin, who is chairman of the Woodside Hydrocarbon Research facility at Curtin University in Perth and an energy consultant for the company.


And the Federal Opposition is now looking into what kinds of investigations might be launched into the Lightfoot of Arabia Affair.

Meanwhile, in The Australian newspaper, where the story originally broke, Middle East reporter Nicolas Rothwell came out to confirm that he too had had a conversation with Lightfoot during his travels that confirmed the original version.

Curiouser and curiouser.

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

MAR 22, 2005 10:40 AM

So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

MAR 22, 2005 10:43 AM

Frank said:
So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?


While packing a .38, apparently.....oh the humanity!!
ARRR!!!

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 22, 2005 10:45 AM

This guy sounds cool.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

MAR 22, 2005 10:49 AM

if i were carrying a ton of money across a war torn country i'd like to have some protection too.

Lotusmonger

Lotusmonger

Chicago, IL
May 2004

MAR 22, 2005 10:57 AM

I'd need two .38's to feel safe with that amount of cash ANYWHERE.

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

MAR 22, 2005 10:59 AM

Michael_DeSade said:

Frank said:
So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?


While packing a .38, apparently.....oh the humanity!!
ARRR!!!


Well, it's illegal in Australia to do so.

Imagine if a US senator went to Amsterdam and publicly smoked a big joint. Sure, he wouldn't have broken any Dutch or US laws in the process, but do you think people would let it pass without comment?

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

MAR 22, 2005 11:04 AM

legionnaire said:

Michael_DeSade said:

Frank said:
So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?


While packing a .38, apparently.....oh the humanity!!
ARRR!!!


Well, it's illegal in Australia to do so.

Imagine if a US senator went to Amsterdam and publicly smoked a big joint. Sure, he wouldn't have broken any Dutch or US laws in the process, but do you think people would let it pass without comment?



He wasn't in Australia at the time though, was he?

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 22, 2005 11:12 AM

legionnaire said:

Michael_DeSade said:

Frank said:
So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?


While packing a .38, apparently.....oh the humanity!!
ARRR!!!


Well, it's illegal in Australia to do so.

Imagine if a US senator went to Amsterdam and publicly smoked a big joint. Sure, he wouldn't have broken any Dutch or US laws in the process, but do you think people would let it pass without comment?


I think, more to the point, he seems to be treading on thin ice regarding the smuggling aspect. The first story mentions that you need to get clearance to carry that much Australian money out of the country (hence smuggling), regardless of whether or not you're packing a.38 as protection fromÂ… I dunno, what's a .38 going to do in a country full of people carrying semiautomatic rifles? It seems like a bit of a stupid move, IMO.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 22, 2005 11:20 AM


what's a .38 going to do in a country full of people carrying semiautomatic rifles? It seems like a bit of a stupid move, IMO.



It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

That being sai, he really probably should have left it up to his security detail.

[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 11:21AM]

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 22, 2005 11:35 AM

skankzor said:


what's a .38 going to do in a country full of people carrying semiautomatic rifles? It seems like a bit of a stupid move, IMO.



It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

That being sai, he really probably should have left it up to his security detail.

[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 11:21AM]


Regardless, what is at issue is the smuggling. The .38 is just the cherry on top.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 22, 2005 11:57 AM

adjunct said:

skankzor said:


what's a .38 going to do in a country full of people carrying semiautomatic rifles? It seems like a bit of a stupid move, IMO.



It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

That being sai, he really probably should have left it up to his security detail.

[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 11:21AM]


Regardless, what is at issue is the smuggling. The .38 is just the cherry on top.




Yeah, when breaking rules...it's best to only break one rule at once.

Candide

Candide

Peoria, AZ
June 2004

MAR 22, 2005 12:07 PM

Gee, acting all innocent especially when you have a weapon and a ton of cash on you really won't get you very far, it seems

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 22, 2005 12:37 PM

adjunct said:

legionnaire said:

Michael_DeSade said:

Frank said:
So... He gave a bunch of money to a children's hospital?


While packing a .38, apparently.....oh the humanity!!
ARRR!!!


Well, it's illegal in Australia to do so.

Imagine if a US senator went to Amsterdam and publicly smoked a big joint. Sure, he wouldn't have broken any Dutch or US laws in the process, but do you think people would let it pass without comment?


I think, more to the point, he seems to be treading on thin ice regarding the smuggling aspect. The first story mentions that you need to get clearance to carry that much Australian money out of the country (hence smuggling), regardless of whether or not you're packing a.38 as protection fromÂ… I dunno, what's a .38 going to do in a country full of people carrying semiautomatic rifles? It seems like a bit of a stupid move, IMO.


Um, well, yeah.

There's questions about who sponsored him to be in Iraq in the first place.

About him carrying money out of the country on behalf (it seems) of a large resources company.

The discrepancies in his story upon returning home. The PM, the head of his party, was sure looking a bit uncomfortable about the whole thing, to say the least.

(By the way, I submitted this story days ago - I was convinced it had vanished under the radar.)

MansuQuig

MansuQuig

Fishers, IN
July 2004

MAR 22, 2005 12:42 PM

meh, seems okay to me. smuggling money to a children's hospital really doesn't rank too high on the corrupt-government official-o-meter. as for packing the heat, can't think of any better place to be armed than iraq. i'd shake the guy's hand.

MansuQuig

MansuQuig

Fishers, IN
July 2004

MAR 22, 2005 12:45 PM

oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 22, 2005 12:55 PM

Satyagrahi said:
oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.


That's who sponsored his trip.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 22, 2005 01:31 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Um, well, yeah.

There's questions about who sponsored him to be in Iraq in the first place.

About him carrying money out of the country on behalf (it seems) of a large resources company.

The discrepancies in his story upon returning home. The PM, the head of his party, was sure looking a bit uncomfortable about the whole thing, to say the least.

(By the way, I submitted this story days ago - I was convinced it had vanished under the radar.)


Yeah, I was just trying to at least get the conversation moving toward the right tip of the right iceberg. You could also add his failure to disclose changes in his holdings with various companies.

The senator, an avid share trader, could also be in breach for not correctly updating the register to cover all his shareholdings. While he noted that he had sold shares in Amcor, Ceramic Fuels and Aztec Resources, the Herald was unable to find a record of his holding them in the first place.


Then again, maybe he'll get strung up for the .38 and the rest will get swept under the carpet.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 22, 2005 01:32 PM

adjunct said:
Yeah, I was just trying to at least get the conversation moving toward the right tip of the right iceberg. You could also add his failure to disclose changes in his holdings with various companies.

The senator, an avid share trader, could also be in breach for not correctly updating the register to cover all his shareholdings. While he noted that he had sold shares in Amcor, Ceramic Fuels and Aztec Resources, the Herald was unable to find a record of his holding them in the first place.


Then again, maybe he'll get strung up for the .38 and the rest will get swept under the carpet.


It's appreciated.

If the last election hadn't given the government a clean sweep of both houses, this would likely be Senate Enquiry stuff.

Not now though.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

MAR 22, 2005 02:58 PM

Satyagrahi said:
oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.



OK, you don't seem to be getting it. He evidently illegally couriered a large cash donation for a private interest to curry favor with a foreign power while a representative of the Australian government. Thats not Robin Hood, that's a massive conflict of interest. Imagine if you will Halliburton paid for Tom DeLay to go to Iraq to secretly make a large, undisclosed cash donation to a government with which Halliburton does and hopes to continue to do a massive amount of business. He wasn't being a philanthropist, he was being a bagman under cover of his elected and therefore diplomatic position.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

MAR 22, 2005 03:15 PM

reprobate said:
OK, you don't seem to be getting it. He evidently illegally couriered a large cash donation for a private interest to curry favor with a foreign power while a representative of the Australian government. Thats not Robin Hood, that's a massive conflict of interest. Imagine if you will Halliburton paid for Tom DeLay to go to Iraq to secretly make a large, undisclosed cash donation to a government with which Halliburton does and hopes to continue to do a massive amount of business. He wasn't being a philanthropist, he was being a bagman under cover of his elected and therefore diplomatic position.



in other words,

Let me start by introducing myself. I am Mr. Cheung Pui
director of operations of the Hang Seng Bank Ltd,Sai Wan Ho Branch. I have a obscured business suggestion for you.

Before the U.S and Iraqi war our client Major Fadi Basem
who was with the Iraqi forces and also business man made a
numbered fixed deposit for 18 calendar months, with a value
of Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State
Dollars only in my branch. Upon maturity several
notice was sent to him, even during the war early this
year. Again after the war another notification was sent
and still no response came from him. We later find out that
the Major and his family had been killed during the war in
bomb blast that hit their home.

After further investigation it was also discovered that
Major Fadi Basem did not declare any next of kin in his
official papers including the paper work of his bank
deposit. And he also confided in me the last time he was at
my office that no one except me knew of his deposit in my
bank. So, Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars is still lying in my bank and no one will
ever come forward to claim it. What bothers me most is that
according to the to the laws of my country at the
expiration four years the funds will revert to the ownership
of the Hong Kong Government if nobody applies to claim the
funds.
Against this backdrop, my suggestion to you is that I will
like you as a foreigner to stand as the next of kin to
Major Fadi Basem so that you will be able to receive his
funds.

WHAT IS TO BE DONE:

I want you to know that I have had everything planned out
so that we shall come out successful. I have contacted an
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that is required from you at this stage is for you to
provide me with your Full Names and Address so that the
attorney can commence his job. After you have been made the next of kin, the attorney will also fill in for claims on
your behalf and secure the necessary approval and letter of
probate in your favor for the move of the funds to an
account that will be provided by you.

There is no risk involved at all in the matter as we are
going adopt a legalized method and the attorney will prepare all the necessary documents. Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters concerning this issue.
Once the funds have been transferred to your nominated bank account we shall share in the ratio of 70% for me, 30% for you . Should you be interested please send me your full
names and current residential address and I will prefers
you to reach me on the email address below

and finally after that i shall provide you with more details of this operation.

Your earliest response to this letter will be appreciated.

Kind Regards

Mr. Cheungpui

MansuQuig

MansuQuig

Fishers, IN
July 2004

MAR 22, 2005 05:15 PM

reprobate said:

Satyagrahi said:
oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.



OK, you don't seem to be getting it. He evidently illegally couriered a large cash donation for a private interest to curry favor with a foreign power while a representative of the Australian government. Thats not Robin Hood, that's a massive conflict of interest. Imagine if you will Halliburton paid for Tom DeLay to go to Iraq to secretly make a large, undisclosed cash donation to a government with which Halliburton does and hopes to continue to do a massive amount of business. He wasn't being a philanthropist, he was being a bagman under cover of his elected and therefore diplomatic position.



right right. but you see, i don't care about other theoretical situations. this guy donated money to a children's hospital. he did it illegally, yes. and, yes, others can use the same means to reach results that could be very harmful to others. but as the french say: c'est la vie.

people use power and deception to achieve many goals, usually resulting in negative consequences for all save themselves. i can only say that if these behaviors exist...as they always have in the history of civilization (no matter how many laws get passed or how many learned people speak against it), it is nice to see that at least once in a while somebody uses this behavior to achieve a goal that could prove beneficial to others. what he got out of it: i don't care. a hospital got money that it could really use and whatever laws this senator broke to get that money to those people is okay by me.



[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 5:16PM]

[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 5:17PM]

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

MAR 22, 2005 05:33 PM

Satyagrahi said:

reprobate said:

Satyagrahi said:
oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.



OK, you don't seem to be getting it. He evidently illegally couriered a large cash donation for a private interest to curry favor with a foreign power while a representative of the Australian government. Thats not Robin Hood, that's a massive conflict of interest. Imagine if you will Halliburton paid for Tom DeLay to go to Iraq to secretly make a large, undisclosed cash donation to a government with which Halliburton does and hopes to continue to do a massive amount of business. He wasn't being a philanthropist, he was being a bagman under cover of his elected and therefore diplomatic position.



right right. but you see, i don't care about other theoretical situations. this guy donated money to a children's hospital. he did it illegally, yes. and, yes, others can use the same means to reach results that could be very harmful to others. but as the french say: c'est la vie.



As Reprobate pointed out, he acted as the agent of a private interest while holding public office while the private interest is trying to curry favor with the foreign power within which the charity operates. How is that okay?

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 22, 2005 05:36 PM

Satyagrahi said:

reprobate said:

Satyagrahi said:
oh, and the funds he used to get there, from a hydrocarbon research facility...those are the good guys too. seems like a lot of robin hood-like crime, which i fully support.



OK, you don't seem to be getting it. He evidently illegally couriered a large cash donation for a private interest to curry favor with a foreign power while a representative of the Australian government. Thats not Robin Hood, that's a massive conflict of interest. Imagine if you will Halliburton paid for Tom DeLay to go to Iraq to secretly make a large, undisclosed cash donation to a government with which Halliburton does and hopes to continue to do a massive amount of business. He wasn't being a philanthropist, he was being a bagman under cover of his elected and therefore diplomatic position.



right right. but you see, i don't care about other theoretical situations. this guy donated money to a children's hospital. he did it illegally, yes. and, yes, others can use the same means to reach results that could be very harmful to others. but as the french say: c'est la vie.


I wouldn't say that using illegal means to gain favor for a massive petrochemical company was doing no harm, nor does that argument refer to some other hypothetical situation.

people use power and deception to achieve many goals, usually resulting in negative consequences for all save themselves. i can only say that if these behaviors exist...as they always have in the history of civilization (no matter how many laws get passed or how many learned people speak against it), it is nice to see that at least once in a while somebody uses this behavior to achieve a goal that could prove beneficial to others. what he got out of it: i don't care. a hospital got money that it could really use and whatever laws this senator broke to get that money to those people is okay by me.


The same argument, that the ends justified the means, has been the basis for the entire unsupportable war. Hey, if we can't find WMD or any other gussied-up reason, we can say it's for the liberation of the Iraqi people. Such basic dishonesty about motivations is exactly why we're stuck in this mess, and doesn't become any more supportable just because one particular end happens to be good.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 22, 2005 05:54 PM

Satyagrahi said:
right right. but you see, i don't care about ...


Look, if your position was, "I get what's wrong about this but, of all the things he could have done with the money he was carrying around, it could be a lot worse than donating it to a hospital", then ok, he could have used it to buy guns or something.

But the various people above have explained what's going on here, and the fact it went to a hospital (while itself not such a bad thing in the scheme of things) doesn't get away from the total impropriety of the whole business.

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