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NA_Mike

NA_Mike

Sao Tome And Principe
November 2004

FEB 10, 2005 09:11 AM

By SANG-HUN CHOE

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea on Thursday announced for the first time that it has nuclear arms and rejected moves to restart disarmament talks anytime soon, saying it needs the weapons as protection against an increasingly hostile United States.

The communist state's pronouncement dramatically raised the stakes in the two-year-old nuclear confrontation and posed a grave challenge to President Bush, who started his second term with a vow to end North Korea's nuclear program through six-nation talks.

"We ... have manufactured nukes for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's ever more undisguised policy to isolate and stifle the (North)," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

The claim could not be independently verified. North Korea expelled the last U.N. nuclear monitors in late 2002 and has never tested a nuclear bomb, although international officials have long suspected it has one or two nuclear bombs and enough fuel for several more.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said North Korea should return to disarmament talks and avoid a path toward further international isolation. She said the world "has given them a way out and we hope they will take that way out."

"The North Koreans have been told by the president of the United States that the United States has no intention of attacking or invading North Korea," Rice told a news conference in Luxembourg. "There is a path for the North Koreans that would put them in a more reasonable relationship with the rest of the world."

Previously, North Korea had reportedly told U.S. negotiators in private talks that it had nuclear weapons and might test one of them. The North's U.N. envoy said last year that the country had "weaponized" plutonium from its pool of 8,000 nuclear spent fuel rods. Those rods contained enough plutonium for several bombs.

But Thursday's statement was North Korea's first public acknowledgment that it has nuclear weapons.

North Korea's "nuclear weapons will remain (a) nuclear deterrent for self-defense under any circumstances," the ministry said. It said Washington's alleged attempt to topple the North's regime "compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by its people."

Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks in Beijing aimed at persuading the North to abandon nuclear weapons development in return for economic and diplomatic rewards. No significant progress has been made.

A fourth round scheduled for last September was canceled when North Korea refused to attend, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy.

South Korea said Thursday the North's decision to stay away from talks was "seriously regrettable." Foreign Ministry spokesman Lee Kyu-hyung said "we again declare our stance that we will never tolerate North Korea possessing nuclear weapons."

In recent weeks, hopes had risen that North Korea might return to the six-nation talks, especially after Bush refrained from any direct criticism of North Korea when he started his second term last month.

On Thursday, North Korea said it decided not to rejoin such talks any time soon after studying Bush's inaugural and State of the Union speeches and after Rice labeled North Korea one of the "outposts of tyranny."

"We have wanted the six-party talks but we are compelled to suspend our participation in the talks for an indefinite period till we have recognized that there is justification for us to attend the talks and there are ample conditions and atmosphere to expect positive results from the talks," the ministry said.

Still, North Korea said it retained its "principled stand to solve the issue through dialogue and negotiations and its ultimate goal to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula remain unchanged."

Such a comment has widely been interpreted as North Korea's negotiating tactic to get more economic and diplomatic concessions from the United States before joining any crucial talks.

In Vienna, a spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency said that "North Korea remains our single highest priority."

"We know they have raw materials to build nuclear weapons. We also know that they have a delivery system and they've expressed their intentions to have a nuclear arsenal," spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said.

In Japan, the top government spokesman said he wanted to confirm the North's intentions.

"They have used this sort of phrasing every so often. They didn't say anything particularly new," Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a regular news conference.

For months, North Korea has lashed out at what it calls U.S. attempts to demolish the regime of leader Kim Jong Il and meddle in the human rights situation in the North. Washington has said it wants to resolve the nuclear talks through dialogue.

In his Jan. 20 inaugural speech, Bush vowed that his new administration would not shrink from "the great objective of ending tyranny" around the globe.

In his State of the Union address earlier this month, Bush only mentioned North Korea once, saying Washington was "working closely with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

Bush's tone was in stark contrast to three years ago, when he branded North Korea part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Iraq, raising hopes of a positive response from North Korea.

The nuclear crisis erupted in October 2002 when U.S. officials accused North Korea of running a secret uranium-enrichment program in violation of international treaties. Washington and its allies cut off free fuel oil shipments for the impoverished country under a 1994 deal with the United States.

North Korea retaliated by quitting the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in early 2003 and restarting its plutonium-based nuclear weapons program, which had been frozen under the 1994 agreement.

sadisticmika

sadisticmika

I'm lost
July 2004

FEB 10, 2005 09:16 AM



...doesn't seem like too much of a threat.

GoatsGoToHell

GoatsGoToHell

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 09:17 AM

Well at least the video game industry is help train a counter to such threats with the new Mercinaries game where players are hired guns to take out North Korean leaders. biggrin

twigtech

twigtech

Atlanta, GA
September 2004

FEB 10, 2005 09:32 AM

Silly me, those we NUCLEAR weapons. Bush made I was afraid they were of the NUKULAR variety (obviously the more dangerous).


AND I just saw a JCPenney commercial using "99 Red Ballons" to sell V-day crap.

argh

Psydragon

Psydragon

Novato, CA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 09:36 AM

If there is anyone who can make George Bush look less like an asshole its Kim Jong.

SilverRevolver

SilverRevolver

United Kingdom
May 2004

FEB 10, 2005 09:58 AM

Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal

NA_Mike

NA_Mike

Sao Tome And Principe
November 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:25 AM

Thought_Police said:
Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal




it only takes one to have a very bad day


RACER_X

RACER_X

Philadelphia, PA
February 2003

FEB 10, 2005 10:26 AM

Thought_Police said:
Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal




I'd wager that the US Nuclear arsenal is not going to be for sale to the highest bidder anytime soon....that and the fact that our arsenal is mitigated by a series of checks and balances that would render anyone just launching an attack on a whim pretty much impossible.

But you know it's more important that the Iraqis have sham elections , than ya know, finally taking care of real nutters like Kim il Jong et al..

(W00t !! ...counting the seconds till assholes like Laswell come to argue this point with more nonsensicle bullshit..)

wink

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 10:29 AM

Thought_Police said:
Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal



That would be completely missing the point. They have two bombs now, but how many will they have in five years? They have flat out admitted they consider them the only defense against outside aggression, so how many do they think is 'enough'?

On top of that, we entered into a deal where we paid them to not make nuclear weapons, only to find that they were doing it anyway. Now, they are using the weapons as a bargaining chip to gain more lucrative incentives to not produce them again. The whole point of the six-nation talks was to get N. Korea to give up any nuclear weapons program at all.

But as they already have them, that's a dead end discussion. The question now becomes who is most threatened by the nukes they have? The U.S., maybe, but I don't think they have ICBM's just yet. But they have tested rockets that can reach Japan, which is bound to make people nervous.

So, one nation that has proven to be completely deceitful in it's dealings with the international community has two nuclear weapons and a stated intention to make more. Do we sit around and wait for them to build up a stockpile or do we band a few armies together and remove the current government knowing that at least two nukes are going to go off in the process?

Not good times.
ARRR!!!

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 10, 2005 10:33 AM



doom... doom... doom... doom..

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 10:33 AM

Racer_X said:

Thought_Police said:
Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal




I'd wager that the US Nuclear arsenal is not going to be for sale to the highest bidder anytime soon....that and the fact that our arsenal is mitigated by a series of checks and balances that would render anyone just launching an attack on a whim pretty much impossible.

But you know it's more important that the Iraqis have sham elections , than ya know, finally taking care of real nutters like Kim il Jong et al..

(W00t !! ...counting the seconds till assholes like Laswell come to argue this point with more nonsensicle bullshit..)

wink



I don't know if I count as an 'asshole', but taking care of N. Korea can not be done with out China's outright co-operation. They have been one of the main forces putting pressure on N. Korea to negotiate an end to a weapons program. If we just invaded N' Korea like we did Iraq, we'd find ourselves at war with China very quickly.

ARRR!!!

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 10, 2005 10:36 AM

Michael_DeSade said:
If we just invaded N' Korea like we did Iraq, we'd find ourselves at war with China very quickly.



Maybe better now than 25 years from now.

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 10:43 AM

Keith said:

Michael_DeSade said:
If we just invaded N' Korea like we did Iraq, we'd find ourselves at war with China very quickly.



Maybe better now than 25 years from now.



They have a ~13 million surplus of men between 15 and 29 in their population. They could lose that many males before they reached an even 50/50 split between males and females. I don't think there is any good time to go to war with China.

ARRR!!!

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:46 AM

Michael_DeSade said:

Keith said:

Michael_DeSade said:
If we just invaded N' Korea like we did Iraq, we'd find ourselves at war with China very quickly.



Maybe better now than 25 years from now.



They have a ~13 million surplus of men between 15 and 29 in their population. They could lose that many males before they reached an even 50/50 split between males and females. I don't think there is any good time to go to war with China.

ARRR!!!



Well he said "better now than later" which is different than "good now."

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:47 AM

Michael_DeSade said:
On top of that, we entered into a deal where we paid them to not make nuclear weapons, only to find that they were doing it anyway.
ARRR!!!



I am not sure which deal you are talking about, but the last deal unraveled because the bush administration wanted it to
foreignaffairs

dspsg said:
Bush admin says "ahah! u cheat! agreement is void! no more oil!"
N Korea says "fine, no more inspections, and since your fucking us, we'll get working uranium based nukes (much harder than plutonium for u to keep tabs on)'

All this, when it could very well be the case that the 'cheating' was just civilian nuclear fuel production.


previous thread

Lain

Lain

Astoria, NY
April 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:47 AM

Thought_Police said:
Still they have 2 bombs, and we have how many? surreal



Only takes 1...

1. To scare the shit out of a people...

And if that doesnt work....

2. To have them totally surrender and end World War II

[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by Lain]

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 10:52 AM

dspsg said:

Michael_DeSade said:
On top of that, we entered into a deal where we paid them to not make nuclear weapons, only to find that they were doing it anyway.
ARRR!!!



I am not sure which deal you are talking about, but the last deal unraveled because the bush administration wanted it to
foreignaffairs

dspsg said:
Bush admin says "ahah! u cheat! agreement is void! no more oil!"
N Korea says "fine, no more inspections, and since your fucking us, we'll get working uranium based nukes (much harder than plutonium for u to keep tabs on)'

All this, when it could very well be the case that the 'cheating' was just civilian nuclear fuel production.


previous thread



So, your contention is that they went from no nuclear weapons to at least two nuclear weapons in two years?

ARRR!!!

RACER_X

RACER_X

Philadelphia, PA
February 2003

FEB 10, 2005 10:53 AM

Lain said:
2. To have them totally surrender and end World War II
]




Uh, Lain...it took two.

Lain

Lain

Astoria, NY
April 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:55 AM

Racer_X said:

Lain said:
2. To have them totally surrender and end World War II
]




Uh, Lain...it took two.



Dude... I said that.

I numbered it according to Nuke

Again..,



I said:
Only takes 1...

1. To scare the shit out of a people...

And if that doesnt work....

2. To have them totally surrender and end World War II

[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by Lain]

bambam226

bambam226

Fort Worth, TX
December 2004

FEB 10, 2005 10:59 AM

Racer_X said:

Lain said:
2. To have them totally surrender and end World War II
]




Uh, Lain...it took two.


Uh, Lain...it took two to tell you.

RACER_X

RACER_X

Philadelphia, PA
February 2003

FEB 10, 2005 10:59 AM

I'm sorry...I'm just not used to you putting together coherent thoughts... tongue

luckyride

luckyride

Portland, OR
May 2003

FEB 10, 2005 11:02 AM

anyone who didn't see this coming is officially retarded...or a bush-hugger.

[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by luckyride]

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

FEB 10, 2005 11:03 AM

Michael_DeSade said:

dspsg said:

Michael_DeSade said:
On top of that, we entered into a deal where we paid them to not make nuclear weapons, only to find that they were doing it anyway.
ARRR!!!



I am not sure which deal you are talking about, but the last deal unraveled because the bush administration wanted it to
foreignaffairs

dspsg said:
Bush admin says "ahah! u cheat! agreement is void! no more oil!"
N Korea says "fine, no more inspections, and since your fucking us, we'll get working uranium based nukes (much harder than plutonium for u to keep tabs on)'

All this, when it could very well be the case that the 'cheating' was just civilian nuclear fuel production.


previous thread



So, your contention is that they went from no nuclear weapons to at least two nuclear weapons in two years?

ARRR!!!


No. My contention is that the last deal unraveled (on October 4, 2002) because the bush administration wanted it to. It is now about uranium nukes, not plutonium nukes.

The 1994 U.S. estimate (by the CIA and the DIA) that North Korea had "one or two" nuclear weapons at that time remains unchanged--although it has yet to be proved or disproved.




[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by dspsg]

bambam226

bambam226

Fort Worth, TX
December 2004

FEB 10, 2005 11:05 AM

luckyride said:
anyone who didn't see this coming is officially retarded...or a bush-hugger.

[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by luckyride]


Is everybody retarded to you? You post that a lot. Chill out dude. Some people have relatives with disabilities. wink

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

FEB 10, 2005 11:06 AM

bambam226 said:

luckyride said:
anyone who didn't see this coming is officially retarded...or a bush-hugger.

[Edited on Feb 10, 2005 by luckyride]


Is everybody retarded to you? You post that a lot. Chill out dude. Some people have relatives with disabilities. wink


yeah, all your relatives do. tongue

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