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HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 09, 2005 10:54 AM

In another triumph of mendacity and deception over common sense and accountability, the Bush White House released projections estimating the cost of Bush's much vaunted Medicare drug benefit at $720 billion dollars over the next 10 years. (free login: sgnews/sgnews) The original estimate provided when Congress enacted the benefit late in 2003 was $400 billion for 2003 - 2013. In early 2004 the estimate was raised to $534 billion.

Passage of the Medicare bill was a major political achievement for President Bush and the Republican leaders of Congress. It squeaked through the House by a vote of 220 to 215, and it would probably not have been approved in its current form if lawmakers had thought the cost would exceed a half-trillion dollars.

Mr. Emanuel (Democratic Representative from Illinois) said: "The new cost estimate destroys the credibility of the Bush administration. Officials were so far off in estimating the cost of the Medicare law. Why should we believe what they say about the financial problems of Social Security?"

Representative Pete Stark of California, the senior Democrat on the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health, said: "I told you so. We can't trust numbers provided by administration officials. They'll say anything to get a bill passed. And if the new drug benefit costs more, the extra money goes to their friends in the pharmaceutical industry, not to senior citizens."


I wonder if now, finally, true fiscal conservatives will catch on to the fact that Bush is not a fiscal conservative at all, but one of the most reckless spendthrifts in the history of the United States.

luckyride

luckyride

Portland, OR
May 2003

FEB 09, 2005 04:07 PM

puke
bush
puke

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 04:11 PM

Liberals have been predicting this since the beginning. Didn't Bush fire someone a year or two ago for having the audacity to say this outloud?

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

FEB 09, 2005 04:26 PM

Obviously “facts” and “math” are part of a liberal conspiracy. How else could you explain the discrepancies between the Administrations plans and this so called “reality?” I mean really. Oil for Food, Cost of the Iraq war, Prescription Drug benefit, and Tax Cuts are all exactly as promised. Privatization of Social Security, uh I mean personal savings accounts, will work exactly as promised.

(This is my first directly anti-administration post. What a strange feeling. Molon Labe!)

FallFromGrace

FallFromGrace

Seattle, WA
March 2004

FEB 09, 2005 04:28 PM

I hate this administration. Hate, Hate Hate.

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

FEB 09, 2005 04:32 PM

ARRRGGHHHHH!


And he's going to go down in the history books as a great Presideent! Our children's children we will taught to revere the Great WHite Terrorist Hunter!!!
This thought alone makes me want to join my French-Canadian heritage in the Homeland...
mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 09, 2005 04:39 PM

He's going to go down as one of the worst presidents who won reelection by the smallest (percentage) margin in history, presided over a divided country, fomented a cultural civil war, destroyed the value of the dollar, abrogated the US's role as economic leader of the world, started unnecessary and unjust wars, violated international law, committed war crimes, and only got reelected because the democrats fielded exactly the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 by HenryTMensch]

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

FEB 09, 2005 04:40 PM

The thing about it is that this isn't the Bush Administration forgetting to carry a zero or an error of any sort -- they intentionally went with the most lowball estimate of the cost of that.

In short, it was a total fucking lie.

supergp

supergp

Seattle, WA
February 2003

FEB 09, 2005 04:43 PM

The Bush administration lies! Film at 11.

Nothing they could do any more would remotely surprise me. frown

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

FEB 09, 2005 04:46 PM

HenryTMensch said:
He's going to go down as one of the worst presidents who won reelection by the smallest (percentage) margin in history, presided over a divided country, fomented a cultural civil war, destroyed the value of the dollar, abrogated the US's role as economic leader of the world, started unnecessary and unjust wars, violated international law, committed war crimes, and only got reelected because the democrats fielded exactly the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 by HenryTMensch]




I hope so. But when I think of the adage, "when truth becomes legend, print the legend", well...I'm not so optimistic.

Sivart

Sivart

Saskatoon, SK
June 2004

FEB 09, 2005 05:21 PM

HenryTMensch said:
He's going to go down as one of the worst presidents who won reelection by the smallest (percentage) margin in history, presided over a divided country, fomented a cultural civil war, destroyed the value of the dollar, abrogated the US's role as economic leader of the world, started unnecessary and unjust wars, violated international law, committed war crimes, and only got reelected because the democrats fielded exactly the wrong candidate at the wrong time.



that's how the rest of the world will (and already does) view him... but i'm not so sure about american history books...

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 09, 2005 05:29 PM

this source says it will cost $1.2 trillion:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9328-2005Feb8.html

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

FEB 09, 2005 05:58 PM

What do you figure will get cut first? The Missile Defense Program or this? whatever

Mthrsuperior

Mthrsuperior

Victoria, BC
November 2002

FEB 09, 2005 06:24 PM

"Bush is not a fiscal conservative at all, but one of the most reckless spendthrifts in the history of the United States."

You're being sarcastic right?

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

FEB 09, 2005 06:36 PM

Starting to think the only way to make the federal government solvent is to set up a Logan's Run type scheme, except at age 55 or 60. The old just soak up so much in entitlements, and it becomes a vicious cycle. Government subsidizes life-extending drugs........which means the old will collect social security and take Medicare benefits longer.......so we'll have to borrow to meet unfunded obligations......which increases debt payments..........

Ugh.

egon

egon

Las Vegas, NV
July 2003

FEB 09, 2005 06:54 PM

stockula said:
Starting to think the only way to make the federal government solvent is to set up a Logan's Run type scheme, except at age 55 or 60. The old just soak up so much in entitlements, and it becomes a vicious cycle. Government subsidizes life-extending drugs........which means the old will collect social security and take Medicare benefits longer.......so we'll have to borrow to meet unfunded obligations......which increases debt payments..........

Ugh.



Or we could just get off smoking's back. Cigarettes alone could kill off enough people to save medicare and social security. Seriously.

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 09, 2005 06:59 PM

1point6180 said:
"Bush is not a fiscal conservative at all, but one of the most reckless spendthrifts in the history of the United States."

You're being sarcastic right?



No. Are you?

Archi

Archi

Austin, TX
January 2005

FEB 09, 2005 07:03 PM

Not that I like Bush or anything but why should we let facts or context get in the way of a good Bush bashing?

White House Press Briefing



There were some reports about a $1.2 trillion projection for prescription drug coverage over a time period of 2006 to 2015. That is simply not accurate. It does not take into account the $500 billion in savings that will be realized by the federal government. So it's off by, essentially, a half trillion dollars. It does not take into account that states contribute to the cost of the benefit, some $134 billion. It does not include beneficiary premiums that people pay, some $145 billion altogether. And it doesn't take into account that the federal government is saving almost $200 billion on Medicaid, because it will now pay for medicines for low-income seniors through the Medicare program. And so the cost from 2005 -- or 2006 to 2015 is $723 billion.



$723 billion? What happened to the original $400 billion?!


The facts are that the Congressional Budget Office still stands by that previous projection of $400 billion for the first 10 years of the program. There is now a projection for 2006 to 2015, when you have a fully phased in prescription drug coverage -- and that's the cost I was just referring to -- but the President made it very clear what he was referring to in his previous remarks. We made it very clear. And in terms of the prescription drug coverage for that time period, the projections remain virtually unchanged. If you go and look, the projection from the CMS actuaries for 2004 to 2013 for the prescription drug aspect was about $511 billion. The projection now is about $518 billion, so it's virtually unchanged.



It's a sad thing that Republican and Democratic politicians are cumbags who pander to seniors in order to stay in office at the expense of decency and on the backs of younger workers. But the pandering is bi-partisan and for a democrat to now point the finger at the whitehouse.... did no Democrats pander to their voters extolling the virtue of this new benefit?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 07:08 PM

1point6180 said:
"Bush is not a fiscal conservative at all, but one of the most reckless spendthrifts in the history of the United States."

You're being sarcastic right?



From the Libertarian think-tank the Cato Institute

"The Mother of All Big Spenders: Bush Spends Like Carter and Panders Like Clinton"

rodan

rodan

Baltimore, MD
February 2005

FEB 09, 2005 07:23 PM

This is what I heard on NPR on the way to work this AM, as translated into english of sorts by me.

They didn't lowball the costs, but they included last year and this year in the original 10 year projections and - hey - presto - they're not BUYing drugs for Medicare this year or next year - so when they did the 10 year projections - well lookie there, they're cheaper cuz we skip the first two years.

Now that we've added a new year we're paying for drugs and taken out a year we're NOT paying for drugs - amazing! it costs more!

I did wonder WTF they were up to skipping first two years, now I understand - devious buggers!

There are theoretically some costs savings that offset the "full" costs, but that's all BS and savings on paper anyway, we still haveta shell out all 120billion or whatever it was.

blackeyed taxpayer at work!

I should say because of medicare/medicaid my parents can afford to put my grandmom into a retirement home so she can be taken care of - atleast so far, they're talking about cutting those costs now.

lamdalamdalamda

lamdalamdalamda

Chicago, IL
February 2003

FEB 09, 2005 10:25 PM

HenryTMensch said:

1point6180 said:
"Bush is not a fiscal conservative at all, but one of the most reckless spendthrifts in the history of the United States."

You're being sarcastic right?



No. Are you?



fiscal conservatism means cutting government cost, administering entitlements at the state level (at most), low deficits, and strong protectionist policies. he has done none of these things. conservatives, he lied to you too.

Radd

radd

Madison, WI
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 12:36 AM

This is just one example of why I despise the Left versus Right political mentality in America. Besides carrying the worst traits of the stereotypical "Right Wing Nutjob" (zealously religious, bigoted, war mongering) just how is Bush Jr. or his policies conservative?

handsome_rob

handsome_rob

Burlington, IA
May 2004

FEB 10, 2005 12:38 AM

when and if they get called on this, i imagein the prez will say something about how god/pusbag has told him to cut medicare entirely so that we can continue the war on togo. and then go back to the two minutes hate.

(i've decided that any reference to bush by me will be accompanied by a reference to god/pusbag decreeing something.)

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

FEB 10, 2005 12:44 AM

egon said:

stockula said:
Starting to think the only way to make the federal government solvent is to set up a Logan's Run type scheme, except at age 55 or 60. The old just soak up so much in entitlements, and it becomes a vicious cycle. Government subsidizes life-extending drugs........which means the old will collect social security and take Medicare benefits longer.......so we'll have to borrow to meet unfunded obligations......which increases debt payments..........

Ugh.



Or we could just get off smoking's back. Cigarettes alone could kill off enough people to save medicare and social security. Seriously.



Except that we now have medical technology to help sick smokers live longer, which costs a shitload of money, which someone ends up paying for. More people getting sick is not a good way to save money on healthcare.

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 10, 2005 12:51 AM

For all you people claiming fiscal conservatives were 'lied to' by Bush, I challenge you to find one quote where Bush claims to be a fiscal conservative, and one member on this site who claimed Bush was a fiscal conservative or that they were voting for him based on his economic policies.

ARRR!!!

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