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HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 07, 2005 01:02 PM

President Bush is set to unveil proposals to cut farm and commodity subsidies, reports the New York Times.

The proposal puts Mr. Bush at odds with some of his most ardent supporters in the rural South, including cotton and rice growers in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi.

...

Agriculture Department officials said Mr. Bush's proposals would cut federal payments to farmers by $587 million, or about 5 percent, next year and would save $5.7 billion in the coming decade.


I must say, it warms the cockles of my heart to see Bush stick it to the poor slobs who voted against their interests for him. On top of this, farm subsidies are a complete waste of taxpayer funds -- part of the giant sucking sound from the cities into the hinterland. Plus, this is the first drop in the bucket towards closing the budget deficit. I bet you didn't see that one coming, Red States! Pow, right in the kisser!

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 07, 2005 08:34 PM

bumpski

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

FEB 07, 2005 08:48 PM

farm subsidies are stupid anyway. i bet he only cuts subsidies to small farms and not to giant corporate farms though.

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 07, 2005 08:50 PM

Mr. Bush's farm proposal found support from some people who frequently criticize his policies.

Kenneth Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group, a research and advocacy group, said the proposal would reduce payments to big agribusiness operations. The savings, he said, would ease pressure on Congress to cut conservation programs financed in the same legislation.

"This proposal is a very big deal," Mr. Cook said. "I am stunned and impressed. The Bush administration is opening the door to reform on the most contested issue in agriculture policy today. Taxpayers will no longer have to subsidize every bushel of grain or bale of cotton. They will no longer have to subsidize the demise of the family farm."



Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

FEB 07, 2005 08:51 PM

oh sorry. guess i should read the articles or something.

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 07, 2005 08:53 PM

Thistle said:
oh sorry. guess i should read the articles or something.



biggrin

It's the same conclusion I drew until I read that part of the article. I sort of don't know what to make of this. Mixed emotions.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

FEB 07, 2005 09:39 PM

More derring-do from Dubya. Farm subsidies are one of the most pernicious forms of corporate welfare that there is, and one of the most politically suicidal to take on. Not to mention, they're an impediment to free trade and an economic hurdle for third-world economies. If Democrats actually cared about cutting the deficit (which they love attacking the president on), they would support him on this.

Of course, they won't. They'll see it as an opportunity to make political hay (har har) in rural areas. They'll attack the president, putting their party interests ahead of the national interest, as usual.





[Edited on Feb 07, 2005 by stockula]

DarrenDragon

DarrenDragon

Owensboro, KY
December 2002

FEB 07, 2005 09:41 PM

This is going to be hugely unpopular where I live. It'll be fun to watch my Senators, both strong supporters of Bush, try to defend this decision. Especially since Sen. McConnell has been good to local farmers. You can say goodbye to the local farmer though.

[Edited on Feb 07, 2005 by skinwalker]

RandomNerd

RandomNerd

I'm lost
January 2005

FEB 07, 2005 10:12 PM

Wow.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

FEB 07, 2005 10:26 PM

They aren't a total waste, it is somewhat important that this country doesn't completely rely on foreign food to feed itself.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

FEB 07, 2005 10:27 PM

Of course it's the piece of shit corporation farms that take the lion's share of the money, so eh...

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

FEB 07, 2005 10:32 PM

He cut lots of other things that are dangerous to touch, such as national parks funding, and education (gasp!). Also HUD (this should please republicans). I forget what else. I only heard about it on the radio, and my rage built to the point where I fled my car. Oh, I think medicaid. And VA medical benefits. Which is aweosme. Fuck the veterans, what did they ever do for us? (please note the sarcasm. please? I like veterans. They're like 18 shades of nifty).

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

FEB 07, 2005 10:37 PM

I can't say I'm upset to see corporate farm subsudues under the axe.

Hoew Bush has the gall to leave funding for the war out of the budget is beyond me, though - and his assumptions about cutting the defecit are laughable fiction that nobody will fall for, even the blindest of GOP yes-men.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 07, 2005 10:53 PM

stockula said:
If Democrats actually cared about cutting the deficit (which they love attacking the president on), they would support him on this.



50% of the deficit is from bush's tax cuts; only 6% will be cured by his spending cuts.

that said, i'm so in favor of cutting farm subsidies, that i cheered when i heard the news in the car. as stockula said, farm subsidies are corporate welfare at its worst, handling over billions of dollars to agribusiness every year.

what's worse is that they encourage wastefulness. when you get paid to grow food that no one is buying or food that's overproduced because it's so cheap, of course you're going to waste water, waste fuel, waste fertilizer, etc.

when new zealand ended its farm subsidies, none of the doom and gloom that everyone predicted materialized. it actually turned out to be better for farmers.

InfernoMDM

InfernoMDM

Hilton Head Island, SC
July 2003

FEB 08, 2005 01:49 AM

s5 said:
50% of the deficit is from bush's tax cuts; only 6% will be cured by his spending cuts.



Id love to see the info you got this from.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

FEB 08, 2005 02:47 AM

InfernoMDM said:

s5 said:
50% of the deficit is from bush's tax cuts; only 6% will be cured by his spending cuts.



Id love to see the info you got this from.



I'm not going to source s5's info, but I will say Bush's budget makes one thing clear; tax cuts for rich people are more important than healthcare for veterans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/politics/07budget.html

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

FEB 08, 2005 03:03 AM

Voters don't care about economic issues. The election proved they care more about stopping people from having butt sex.

EvilE25

EvilE25

Denver, CO
May 2004

FEB 08, 2005 03:08 AM

The farmers just got kicked right in the baby maker blackeyed

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

FEB 08, 2005 07:07 AM

yea he is just kind of shitting on his base at the moment.

I also read he is giving the finger to the gay marriage amendment thing. that he made a statement saying it was up to the states?

so he's fucking:

students (education)
poor people (medicade)
Veterans (cuts to VA benifits)
Did I say Veterans?????? (He's CUTTING VA HEALTH CARE)
Local Law enforcement (cutting federal money by 2.8 billion to cops)
Farmers (see above)
Christian Nut Jobs who can't wait for Jesus to melt all them "faggots" with his laser vision. (not supporting Gay Marriage Federal Ban)



Can anyone say Orwellian Yet?

It's called Double Speak. He says one thing does another. The greatest liar, thief, bigot, and tyrant in the history of the United States of America's Executive Branch!

[Edited on Feb 08, 2005 by heresy200]

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

FEB 08, 2005 07:19 AM

heresy200 said:
yea he is just kind of shitting on his base at the moment.

I also read he is giving the finger to the gay marriage amendment thing. that he made a statement saying it was up to the states?



that had been the word until the sotu speech, where he did mention a constitutional amendment, as far as i remember.

MissMontana

MissMontana

HOPEFUL

New Castle, DE

FEB 08, 2005 07:23 AM




SUCKER! hee hee

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

FEB 08, 2005 07:45 AM

s5 said:

stockula said:
If Democrats actually cared about cutting the deficit (which they love attacking the president on), they would support him on this.



50% of the deficit is from bush's tax cuts; only 6% will be cured by his spending cuts.

that said, i'm so in favor of cutting farm subsidies, that i cheered when i heard the news in the car. as stockula said, farm subsidies are corporate welfare at its worst, handling over billions of dollars to agribusiness every year.

what's worse is that they encourage wastefulness. when you get paid to grow food that no one is buying or food that's overproduced because it's so cheap, of course you're going to waste water, waste fuel, waste fertilizer, etc.

when new zealand ended its farm subsidies, none of the doom and gloom that everyone predicted materialized. it actually turned out to be better for farmers.




Agreed. Even if this doesn't make much of a dent in the deficit, I'm glad to see it happen. The problem is when people honestly believe that most farms in the US are small family farms that are only being kept in business by subsidies (not that the government should be in the business of propping up a failed business model anyway), when the reality of massive corporate farms taking huge handouts is quite a bit different.

Silly red states.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

FEB 08, 2005 09:16 AM

So is this a good thing or a bad? Aren't alot of the cuts items that he increased speending for? I understand that even with his new plan VA medical care is up 40% from Clinton. Everyone should of known that the local law enforcement money whould go down, but how much is repaced by Homeland Security money? (which gives a lot to my local departments) Is it too much or not enough?

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

FEB 08, 2005 09:20 AM

bones_708 said:
So is this a good thing or a bad? Aren't alot of the cuts items that he increased speending for? I understand that even with his new plan VA medical care is up 40% from Clinton. Everyone should of known that the local law enforcement money whould go down, but how much is repaced by Homeland Security money? (which gives a lot to my local departments) Is it too much or not enough?



ADDED
Found this link to Bushes budget. I also saw 3.6 billion in additional money going to first responders ( fire, police) so I'm wondering how that works out.

[Edited on Feb 08, 2005 by bones_708]

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

FEB 08, 2005 09:40 AM

subsidising farming is not necessarily a bad thing. (Income supports would be much more useful than price supports). Small farmers should be supported all around the world, the benefits far far outweigh the costs.
Also if subsidies are allowed, there could be better management of resources, farmers could be encouraged to adopt more environmentally friendly practices and to grow more socially beneficial crops by tying certain practises to the level of subsidy they recieve (organic farming for example)

Once again, Of course this will never happen.

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