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SomeOneUK

SomeOneUK

United Kingdom
June 2004

FEB 04, 2005 10:28 AM

The BBC reports today that Donald Rumsfeld faces the threat of arrest should he attend a conference in Munich, Germany later this month.

In a suit filed with German federal prosecutors, the New-York based Center for Constitutional Rights accuses Mr Rumsfeld of war crimes linked to the alleged abuse of detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib detention centre.

US investigations into the abuse scandal have concluded that he was not directly responsible.

The complaint was filed in Germany as its laws allow war crimes and human rights violations to be prosecuted across international boundaries.

The prosecutor's office has not taken any action on the complaint, filed last November.


Mr Rumsfeld added:

"It's certainly an issue. It's something that we have to take into consideration,"

"Whether I'll end up there, we'll soon know. It'll be a week and we'll find out."


Mr. Rumfeld's last visit to the conference also proved problematic:

The conference has not always been a welcome event for Mr Rumsfeld - in 2003, German Foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer, publicly challenged Mr Rumsfeld's justifications for possible military action over Iraq, precipitating a deterioration in relations between the two nations.

daveglss79828

daveglss79828

Miami, FL
January 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:02 PM

yea, like this is really gonna happen... whatever

BlueCadet

BlueCadet

Austin, TX
August 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:03 PM

Germany would have some major balls if they actually went through with something like that.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:05 PM

they're not going to, but it would be really cool if they did.

howdidigethere

howdidigethere

Oroville, CA
June 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:05 PM

really now? lets see them try that.

farrukh

farrukh

United Kingdom
October 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:07 PM

I'm salivating at the prospect!

First Pinochet, now Rumsfeld....

Wow, that would be better than winning the lottery!!!

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:07 PM

Is that a threat or an encouragement?

monkeybutt

monkeybutt

I'm lost
May 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:07 PM

Stab_Me said:
really now? lets see them try that.



what, is our gov't going to go into germany and start blowing shit up there too if they do?

MrSmutty

mrsmutty

Victoria, BC
December 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:08 PM

What was the phrase? Oh ya... I wonder if he's thinking "Bring it on" now? smile

venomkid

venomkid

I'm lost
January 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:10 PM

Boy. Wow. That would be interesting.

Gaiseric

gaiseric

Eugene, OR
July 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:10 PM

So this group filed the suit in Novemeber and we're only hearing about it now because they decided to issue a press release about it?

The German government is not going to take action against Runsfeld. This ranks up there with the whole "Bush is going to be arrested for war crimes in Canada" schtick that went on a year or so ago.

Xanippi

Xanippi

HOPEFUL

Richmond, VA

FEB 04, 2005 12:13 PM

yay germany!

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

FEB 04, 2005 12:14 PM

monkeybutt said:

Stab_Me said:
really now? lets see them try that.



what, is our gov't going to go into germany and start blowing shit up there too if they do?




But gee, wouldn't that be an act of ...terrorism? wink

BlueCadet

BlueCadet

Austin, TX
August 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:15 PM

I'm sorry but I'm really out of the loop in alot of these issues, did anyone ever prove that Rummy actually condoned what was going on at Abu Gharib? If not, then the Germans are actually being dicks.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:19 PM

Did anyone ever prove that saddam ordered the deaths of all those people?

howdidigethere

howdidigethere

Oroville, CA
June 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:23 PM

monkeybutt said:

Stab_Me said:
really now? lets see them try that.



what, is our gov't going to go into germany and start blowing shit up there too if they do?



you know it. its rediculous they would try it.

zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:30 PM

plasticfangs said:

monkeybutt said:

Stab_Me said:
really now? lets see them try that.



what, is our gov't going to go into germany and start blowing shit up there too if they do?




But gee, wouldn't that be an act of ...terrorism? wink



I'd vote yes. are we going to have to kick their asses again? bring the troops home now through Germany... tongue

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:36 PM

Has everyone forgotten that since the end of World War 2 Germany is and has been our ally? Isn't it the least bit worrisome that an ally considers one of the highest ranking (if not elected) government officials in the US a war criminal worthy of indictment?

gumbercules81

gumbercules81

Roanoke, VA
January 2005

FEB 04, 2005 12:38 PM

Even Robert McNamara has wised up that if we'd lost a few more wars some of our top officials, himself included, would have been tried as war criminals. Whether or not Rumsfeld condoned the actions, it happened under his watch. So far there hasn't been much done to prevent it from happening again.

monkeybutt

monkeybutt

I'm lost
May 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:38 PM

legionnaire said:
Has everyone forgotten that since the end of World War 2 Germany is and has been our ally? Isn't it the least bit worrisome that an ally considers one of the highest ranking (if not elected) government officials in the US a war criminal worthy of indictment?



well said. i'm tired of people thinking that the american way of dealing with anybody who doesn't agree with us, to blow the fuck out of them, is right or just.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:45 PM

legionnaire said:
Has everyone forgotten that since the end of World War 2 Germany is and has been our ally? Isn't it the least bit worrisome that an ally considers one of the highest ranking (if not elected) government officials in the US a war criminal worthy of indictment?



Come on I can go down to the DA and file anything I want, doesn't mean the DA will do anything or that I'm not a nut. It's pure publicity, thatÂ’s all.

Patrick_Lasswell

Patrick_Lasswell

Portland, OR
January 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:53 PM

Arresting Rumsfeld would be an act of war. If Germany wants to throw those bones, more power to them, we'll take all of our troops out of the country, demolish all the bases, and let them go bankrupt.

The law is a farce. There is nothing to prevent me from filing suit against Thor, stating that he inspired Nazi atrocities and that he is still alive. Getting the German police to serve Norse dieties is a more likely than getting them to serve papers on Rumsfeld.

AF71321

AF71321

Fayetteville, NC
OLD SKOOL

FEB 04, 2005 12:53 PM


akrasiasaid:
Did anyone ever prove that saddam ordered the deaths of all those people?



Yeah, they did. It's a proven fact that he has killed his own people, and sarin and tabun gassed the people of Iran during the Iran-Iraq conflict. If you want quantifiable proof, my family was (is) in Iran. My relatives fought and died in that war. Had we stayed in Iran, statistics dictate that I most likely would have too died in that war. Thankfully, this country granted my family the opportunity for political refuge, and therefore, a life we never would have had. For that, I can never repay this country, though I have, and will continue to, try. It was absolutely no bullshit that Saddam ordered the death of innocents on a regular basis.

In no way do I stand here and defend the validity of the American occupation/ war in Iraq. That is not my place, as I simply fight for a country that gave my family the opportunity for life, as opposed to a most certain death. Im not sure what "people" you refer to in your post, but the fact of the matter is that Saddam Hussein was an absolutely terrible human being, and there are alot of people in Iraq who are very thankful that they no longer have to be afraid of a dictator who killed at will.

Sorry about the rant. Its just a topic that is very close to my heart. I truly dont mean to offend anyone. But there is something that is lost in all of our self analyzation as a nation. Through our freedoms, we have the liberty to question the veracity of our nations words and decisions, but we must remember that not all countries have this option.

Basically, all i am trying to convey is that there is absolutely no reason on our fair earth to defend Saddam Hussein.

No reason whatsoever.

BlueCadet

BlueCadet

Austin, TX
August 2003

FEB 04, 2005 12:56 PM

Akrasia said:
Did anyone ever prove that saddam ordered the deaths of all those people?




I'm not sure which case(s) youre refering to in specific, but I think it'd be ludicrous to say he never actually commited any atrocities. Anyway, if no one did prove that saddam "killed all those people" what would that have to do with this particular topic? If Germany where to imprison Rumsfeld (which theyre not going to do, so I feel kind of silly even arguing about this) without proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he ordered war crimes to be commited, that'd put them on my shitlist. Thats all I'm saying. I dislike rummy and this administration as much as most people on this board, but that doesn't mean I want to see anyone wrongly imprisoned.

[Edited on Feb 04, 2005 by MB_Arkestra]

anger_frog

anger_frog

I'm lost
January 2004

FEB 04, 2005 12:57 PM

You can't help to appreciate the irony though, especially if they held his trial in Nuremburg...

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