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MustiMan

MustiMan

Finland
OLD SKOOL

DEC 24, 2004 06:20 PM

Ok (links corrected..):

this is by far the worst known risk coming from an asteroid so far:
Neo:2004 MN4

The probability of the hit is currently 1 to 62. It was earlier 1 to 233 but as more observations came in, the likehood become worse (it is typically not this way..)

Anyway here's a link to a tool, which can be used to calculate what the effects would be:
Impact Effect

A sample:


Input:
Distance from Impact: 200.00 km = 124.20 miles
Projectile Diameter: 440.00 m = 1443.20 ft = 0.27 miles
Projectile Density: 3000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 12.00 km/s = 7.45 miles/s
Impact Angle: 45 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:

Energy before atmospheric entry: 9.63 x 1018 Joules = 2.30 x 103 MegaTons TNT
The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth during the last 4 billion years is 4.3 x 104years

Crater:
Crater shape is normal in spite of atmospheric crushing; fragments are not significantly dispersed.

Transient Crater Diameter: 4.65 km = 2.89 miles
Transient Crater Depth: 1.64 km = 1.02 miles

Final Crater Diameter: 5.71 km = 3.55 miles
Final Crater Depth: 0.5 km = 0.31 miles

Seismic Events:


The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 40 seconds.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 6.8
Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 200 km:

IV. Felt indoors by many, outdoors by few during the day. At night, some awakened. Dishes, windows, doors disturbed; walls make cracking sound. Sensation like heavy truck striking building. Standing motor cars rocked noticeably.

V. Felt by nearly everyone; many awakened. Some dishes, windows broken. Unstable objects overturned. Pendulum clocks may stop.

Ejecta:

The ejecta will arrive approximately 206 seconds after the impact.
At your position there is a fine dusting of ejecta with occasional larger fragments
Average Ejecta Thickness: 521 micrometers = 20.5 1/1000 of an inch
Mean Fragment Diameter: 5.65 mm = 0.222 inches



shocked eeek



[Edited on Dec 25, 2004 by MustiMan]

Kobi

Kobi

Seattle, WA
June 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:33 PM

Sweet, thats on my birthday and on a friday. Partay!!!!

_MrE_

_MrE_

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:39 PM

That date is a bit of a stretch I would think...but even still its only a 4 on the Torino
Scale...the only way this would be a great problem is if it was to hit in a major world city...thos odds are rediculously low...more than likely it will hit ocean and the energy will be dissapated by the water...this aint the armageddon people...

cynicminded

cynicminded

Newport Beach, CA
March 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:40 PM

Holy Crap!!!! that's my birthday too!!!

Renton

Renton

Valparaiso, IN
January 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:43 PM

Friday the 13th sounds a bit too convienent for me to believe....and it's 2 days before my birthday so i'm cooler.

Kobi

Kobi

Seattle, WA
June 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:43 PM

cynicminded said:
Holy Crap!!!! that's my birthday too!!!




*High fives*

loudog1

loudog1

Newport Beach, CA
December 2003

DEC 24, 2004 06:48 PM

If you're interested in this kind of stuff, there a really good book by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle called Lucifer's Hammer. It's a little dated, but good, solid, sci-fi reading.

Hopefully Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck will still be around to go blow it up.

darwinsjoke

darwinsjoke

Virginia Beach, VA
July 2003

DEC 24, 2004 06:52 PM

Kobi said:

cynicminded said:
Holy Crap!!!! that's my birthday too!!!




*High fives*


*double hive fives*

tomahto

tomahto

San Bruno, CA
June 2003

DEC 24, 2004 07:00 PM

holy crap, that's infornography's birthday too!

_MrE_

_MrE_

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2004

DEC 24, 2004 07:01 PM

loudog1 said:
If you're interested in this kind of stuff, there a really good book by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle called Lucifer's Hammer. It's a little dated, but good, solid, sci-fi reading.

Hopefully Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck will still be around to go blow it up.



yeah, and hopefully NASA didnt mix up their metric and standard mesurements again...Maybe its relly supposed to be here in October 2017(rough conversion from kph to mph)...wow the 13th is on friday that month too... surreal

June

June

Canada
March 2004

DEC 24, 2004 07:04 PM

shitty

sarahg

sarahg

I'm lost
November 2004

DEC 24, 2004 08:57 PM

I hope to be dead by then, anyway.

MisterGraves

MisterGraves

Portland, OR
November 2003

DEC 24, 2004 09:36 PM

Your Impact Effect link is null.
You meant to do this.

Um, you also didn't link the story properly.

Anyway, here's my estimate of the impact using the same test:
I chose a distance of 100km from the impact site, to make it look more dramatic, and increase the speed of the asteriod to a typical asteroid's speed. For fun I made it a bit denser than your average rock.


Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 100.00 km = 62.10 miles
Projectile Diameter: 440.00 m = 1443.20 ft = 0.27 miles
Projectile Density: 4000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 20.00 km/s = 12.42 miles/s
Impact Angle: 45 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 3.57 x 1019 Joules = 8.52 x 10^3 MegaTons TNT


Major Global Changes:
The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
The impact does not make a noticeable change in the Earth's rotation period or the tilt of its axis.
The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.



Thermal Radiation:

Visible fireball radius: 5.62 km = 3.49 miles
The fireball appears 12.8 times larger than the sun
Thermal Exposure: 1.32 x 105 Joules/m2
Duration of Irradiation: 8.32 seconds

Seismic Effects:

The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 20 seconds.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 7.2
Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 100 km:

VI. Felt by all, many frightened. Some heavy furniture moved; a few instances of fallen plaster. Damage slight.

VII. Damage negligible in buildings of good design and construction; slight to moderate in well-built ordinary structures; considerable damage in poorly built or badly designed structures; some chimneys broken.


Air Blast:

The air blast will arrive at approximately 303 seconds.
Peak Overpressure: 26600 Pa = 0.266 bars = 3.78 psi
Max wind velocity: 56.7 m/s = 127 mph
Sound Intensity: 89 dB (Loud as heavy traffic)
Damage Description:


Interior partitions of wood frame buildings will be blown down. Roof will be severely damaged.

Glass windows will shatter.

About 30 percent of trees blown down; remainder have some branches and leaves blown off.



Again, not an Earthshaker, but bigger than a Hiroshima if it hits in the right place.

Of course, this is 25 years out, and we ought to have a missle system capable of taking out asteriods by that time.

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

DEC 24, 2004 09:56 PM

Just in case..

Samebeat

Samebeat

USA
September 2003

DEC 24, 2004 10:04 PM



Hopefully Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck will still be around to go blow it up.



I frequently disagree with your views on the CE board, but I've gotta say, this one made me laugh quite a bit Loudog. tongue

MisterGraves

MisterGraves

Portland, OR
November 2003

DEC 24, 2004 10:06 PM

I love this stuff, so I thought I'd share the impact again, same distance, but it being a comet rather than an asteroid. Awesome.
Check out the thermal impact.


Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.36 x 1021 Joules = 3.24 x 10^5 MegaTons TNT


Thermal Radiation:

Time for maximum radiation: 0.315 seconds after impact

Visible fireball radius: 20.4 km = 12.6 miles
The fireball appears 46.3 times larger than the sun
Thermal Exposure: 5.38 x 106 Joules/m2
Duration of Irradiation: 27.5 seconds
Radiant flux (relative to the sun): 196

Effects of Thermal Radiation:


Much of the body suffers third degree burns

Newspaper ignites

Deciduous trees ignite

Grass ignites


Seismic Effects:

The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 20 seconds.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 8.2
Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 100 km:

VII. Damage negligible in buildings of good design and construction; slight to moderate in well-built ordinary structures; considerable damage in poorly built or badly designed structures; some chimneys broken.

VIII. Damage slight in specially designed structures; considerable damage in ordinary substantial buildings with partial collapse. Damage great in poorly built structures. Fall of chimneys, factory stacks, columns, monuments, walls. Heavy furniture overturned.


Air Blast:

The air blast will arrive at approximately 303 seconds.
Peak Overpressure: 283000 Pa = 2.83 bars = 40.2 psi
Max wind velocity: 360 m/s = 806 mph
Sound Intensity: 109 dB (May cause ear pain)
Damage Description:


Multistory wall-bearing buildings will collapse.

Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.

Multistory steel-framed office-type buildings will suffer extreme frame distortion, incipient collapse.

Highway truss bridges will collapse.

Glass windows will shatter.

Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.

carmiac

carmiac

Socorro, NM
May 2004

DEC 25, 2004 12:42 PM

I happen to work at the largest observatory doing NEO research, so I though I should provide a bit of background on this object.

2004 MN4 is the highest on the Torino scale that any object has ever been. When we turned in our obs on it a few days ago it had a Torino of 2. We were expecting it to go down, but instead it climbed the scale.

We won't be getting any more obs on it untill the 29th due to the full moon, and most of the smaller observatories won't be getting around to it until later as they are closed for a winter break. Lucky them.

Odds are once we start observing again we will be able to show that it will not hit us. If it is going to hit us there are plans for moving asteroids out of the way, and since we have almost 25 years to do so, we shouldn't have a problem.

AndrewB

AndrewB

Victoria, BC
August 2003

DEC 25, 2004 01:11 PM

I'll be 45 years old then...

it's all very facinating...

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

DEC 25, 2004 03:04 PM

I'll be dead or at least even more uncaring by then.

Slander

Slander

Dayton, OH
May 2004

DEC 25, 2004 03:06 PM

SaintLucifer said:
Of course, this is 25 years out, and we ought to have a missle system capable of taking out asteriods by that time.



Or a nice soothing cream to reduce the swelling...

thunderbolts

thunderbolts

Toronto, ON
February 2004

DEC 25, 2004 03:33 PM

man, I hope thats not going to be as disappointing as:
The second coming of Jesus Christ, when he returns to earth after almost two millennia.
The war of Armageddon -- a massive battle in Israel.
The arrival on earth of the Antichrist, an evil political, military leader.
The Tribulation, a seven year interval of great suffering and death.
The Rapture, when Christians who have been born again -- both living and dead -- will rise into the sky towards Jesus.
Y2K.
The first alignment of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in 6,000 years would cause total devastation. Ice buildup at the south pole would upset the world's axis, sending trillions of tons of ice and water sweeping over the planet.
and other failed prophecies/predictions.

Corruptive

Corruptive

San Jose, CA
February 2004

DEC 26, 2004 07:03 AM

thunderboltz said:
man, I hope thats not going to be as disappointing as:
The second coming of Jesus Christ, when he returns to earth after almost two millennia.
The war of Armageddon -- a massive battle in Israel.
The arrival on earth of the Antichrist, an evil political, military leader.
The Tribulation, a seven year interval of great suffering and death.
The Rapture, when Christians who have been born again -- both living and dead -- will rise into the sky towards Jesus.
Y2K.
The first alignment of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in 6,000 years would cause total devastation. Ice buildup at the south pole would upset the world's axis, sending trillions of tons of ice and water sweeping over the planet.
and other failed prophecies/predictions.



This deserves a good ol': "owned".

tongue

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

DEC 26, 2004 08:59 AM

The doomsday prophet business is a good one. Just pick a date and a weird way it will happen. Here's one: "On March 3, 2006, a previously unknown comet will slam into the earth. It will carry an unknown type of radiation that will completely ionize the atmosphere, making it burst into flames."

Now, if this doesn't happen on March 3, 2006, which it won't, all I have to say is, "Well, obviously, my calling attention to this brought us closer to God, who spared us. But, now, on April 10, 2011..."

Repeat as necessary.

poptard

poptard

United Kingdom
November 2003

DEC 26, 2004 09:11 AM

so what gonna happen

it will hit the sea and we'l all get a bit wet?

were is bruce willis when you need him,..?

Koenigsegg

Koenigsegg

I'm lost
July 2004

DEC 26, 2004 09:16 AM

doesn't this belong in 'future events'?

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