NEWS: Is North Korea Wobbling?

Yeah? so what. there are always idiots, regardless of ideology. It doesn't matter how old you are or what you've heard other people say. Don't be an ass, end of story.

"have a nice day".

edited to include:
yay demise of north korea.

[Edited on Dec 24, 2004 by hopey]

Hope the prick disappears somehow.
Speculations smeculations.
*sigh*

Bye.

and what freedom are yuo lacking?

You still get up in the morning take a drive down the street. have a normal day and can do whatever the hell you want without breaking the law.

What freedom are you lacking that is making the United States such a shithole to live in?

Me hate America?
Look maybe I dont agree with some of thing that go on this country. Im not on my knees sucking the cock of our president.
I dont agree with many things this government does. Both on the right and the left.
But what I do hate is people in this country living a good life, with all the freedoms bestowed upon them by this country bad mouthing this place saying they would rather live somewhere else.

If you want to get the hell out and go live wherever put up or shut up. Other than that...

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!
AND TO ALL A KICK ASS NIGHT!

[Edited on Dec 24, 2004 by Lain]

Yes but Keith did.

I simply said "Bye" (then edited it to add all that)
mainly cause If someone tells me they want to leave and go live in the desert of Egypt.. good good for them. So Long farewell.

He was responding to a post about North Korea vs Sierra Leon.
Where did you see anything about the USA?

It's funny how whenever I post something about a country on the other side of the planet we always end up arguing about whether America sucks or not.

I think North Korea will dissolve from within, they have been runnin on empty for quite sometime now. Politics and diplomacy and foreign policy aside, they are fucked by their own hand and will die by their own hand. They cant sustain their nation for long and I think the article tells that story to the T. Their nuclear program seems to me just a ploy to get attention and help from the west without admitting it. They are too poor to live, to stubborn to die, North Korea will eat itself. They lack ressources and thus no one cares, particularly the states. If the US really was the champion of justice that it makes itself out to be, they would have gone in there long ago, but they dont care, why? Cuz there is nothing worth saving except human lives, which is not high on the list of priorities on the US foreign policy tip. The futur holds no certain answers, well maybe one, that N.Korea will fade, but I dont think by intervention, but by desperation.

Just one korean kids opinion.

after looking back....

WOOPS!
MY BAD!
IM SORRY!
SHOULDA READ MORE CAREFULLY.

Man i feel like an ass.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

I grew up in the Appalachian hills, which is a traditional (not reactionary) Bible belt area, and even there, in the 70s, I saw a 16mm film in class about the Soviet Union ... neatly dressed schoolkids, organized classrooms, five year plans, communal farms worked by happy comrades with modern equipment ...

Where did all that crap come from? Why was I watching it, anyway? Whose brilliant freakin' idea was it to show that? In the North Carolina hills?!? Why wasn't there a disclaimer at the beginning and end of the film:

BY THE WAY, THIS IS ALL HOOEY.

I doubt that.

n2ocowboy : The reason we won't go into N.Korea is because it's a strategic and tactical nightmare. The fighting in iraq (until we (apparently) pissed off the natives) was relatively easy to manage, and our few skirmishes with the actual Iraqi army weren't exactly the stuff movies are made of. N.Korea, however, is a primarily military state with a well-entrenched army in rough terrain with a shitload of artillary pointed at S.Korea - we try anything, they level a couple hundred thousand people without a second thought. From a moral standpoint, it might make sense, but from a military standpoint, it's freaking insane. And yes, you're right, N.Korea has neither resources nor strategic location to make it an enticing target, and without those, we're simply not willing to risk needless lives. It's not our fight, at least not when we've got as much on our plate as we've taken.

North Korea , while having claims to a million man crack army , which I seriously doubt could or would be an effective fighting force after a few weeks of the commencement of hostilities due to the antiquity of their armaments, the severe lack of logistical support that would be available after the immediate commencement of hostilities, ie. food,spare parts,fuel. etc. i also have questions about China pulling the Norths ass out of the fire once again, as in I don't see them doing it at all.

the serious question is the reports of North Korea having at least 2 fieldable nuclear weapons, which if are not going to be used in attempt to vaporize a large section of Seoul, would have devastating consequences, both material and psychological... anywhere else on the battlefield.

A really good site for more info on the N. Korean army :

Globalsecurity.org

[Edited on Dec 25, 2004 by Racer_X]

hmm,
Iraq is "relatively easy" ?
I dunno...

"apparently"? how bout ABSOLUTELY pissed off the natives

And its not just logistics, the states have had many well documented cases of fighting the impossible fight at great loss and expense: Vietnam

You really think logistics are gona get in the way of Bush and his zealous ideological war? I dont, I think he would go to hell and back if he thought he was right.

They dont go there cuz they dont care.
Just like Sierra Leone
Just like East Timor
Just like Sudan
etc
etc

But you are abosolutely right about the threat to the south, thats some scary shit, but I dont think it will ever come to that. I think N.Korea realizes that they will eventually need the south. Its definitly not the place for anyone to got there cuz it is crazy and dangerous, but its sad that my countrymen are suffering. ITs just too bad world powers dont look out for the freedoms of oppressed people, but thats no surprise.


[Edited on Dec 25, 2004 by n2ocowboy]

Not if he was eating tree bark and human flesh.

Eisenstien was a great artist. Its amazing to here stories from that time period. Did you know he disliked Stalin? You can see it in his movies, great stuff really.

To the end there are still people that loved Stalin for good reasons. His 5 year plans were excelent and brought the country from near middle age living to a modernized world in such a short time. People will not forget the good Stalin did even if he did bad things. In all honesty I think he had great intensions but he took the road to hell so to speak.

I'll never see Bush as more then a honest religous individual, not like stalin. Compareing the two which always happen is like comparing an apple to a piece of steel. I know tons of people that are super religous, and a few I call friends. Hell one says "I talk to god" and hes probably more stable then 85% of the college students. Hes never atests to actually speaking with God, just communicating through prayer etc. He relates events to what he thinks is morally right and what god would do. I think Bush probably gets misinterpted the same way. Religon shouldnt be "cart blonsh" (sp like all my spelling huh) to do whatever, but I think a very moral straight forward view is great. [RANT] So what is it is Dubya a pawn looking for oil that so many said and I have seen ZERO reward for? Is he a religous nut?[/RANT] Is he just damn smart enough to know N Korea is not a place to send american troops.

I remeber some hippies telling me I was going to N Korea next. They swore up and down that it was Bush's next target and he was going to start nuclear war etc. Only time will tell if some panicy students with Kerry 04 stickers are right or not. Hell they have a 50/50 chance, but I dont think anyones walking in the front door of N. Korea.

Personally I dont think US security officals saw N Korea as a threat, I think they were seen as saber rattler, which is all they have done. Kim seemed less in control then most. Id love to see the whole place topple without a shot fired, just like the soviet union. I just hope the place doesnt stablize like china.

No I fucking didn't.

I usually listen attentively to John Pike; however Racer, don't you find the content on Pike's site describing North Korean military just a bit incongruous? How can a country spending more than $7 billion annually not increase the size of its fighting force, particularly aircraft? Pike's data suggests that despite North Korea spending 25% of its GDP on "military," the inventory of equipment, munitions, and personnel remains unchanged since 1990.

This is not an inflationary economy and it does not cost this country in excess of $80,000 annually per military person. Either the forecasts of expenditures are suspect, or Mr. Pike received this information from Kmart’s supply chain forecast system.

I'll start by saying i respect your perspective because I know you have a strong feeling towards your roots. I do disagree in your using Vietnam as an example. but i guess that's a difference in how americans might view Vietnam versus the world view of America and what it means. Americans have internally learned from their foreign policy and the utter failure in vietnam as well as Bay of Pigs etc. and this affected our own "regime" change through the democratic process. we see repeating those mistakes as political suicide. please, permit me to suspend the comparison between Falluja/iraqi resistance and Vietnam. Meanwhile, to the world, we still have a tarnished record of questionable motives and wars, so, the worldand you see us poorly.

I don't have a good answer. You're totally right, there are regions of the world with horrible things going on that still aren't stopped. I wish I could say they were. Don't forget there are other super powers out there. They just don't have a reputation of taking action the same way. Also, some of these conflicts have very similar, deeply rooted cultural conflicts that wouldn't just diappear with intervention. They have similar potential to be another Vietnam. Along with the military costs of operating such intervetion, you see why no countries have really stepped up.

And you could say the US only makes selfish moves. That's not entirely true but in a way it is. The US still provides hundreds of millions of dollars to aid other countries enter the post-modern world. In return we do get to invest in development as well as trade with those countries. we provide humanitarian aid, stimilate their economy and our own all at the same time. that's good foreign policy. fortunately we aren't involved in bloodshed either. iraq has enough of that for now. in the long run, their people will have more freedoms faster than if sadam had stayed in power. their economy will also grow faster as they have huge resources that can now be traded by iraqi citizens and entreprenuers. will the US profit? yes. we'll make some money. but the iraqi people will have freedom and continue to make a lot of money as well. overall, the invisible hand will greatly help their country 3 years from now.

it's a shitty way to get good results. not sure if there was a better way
thanks for listening, please civily counter anything =) i'm learning and evolving my views