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heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 27, 2004 07:55 PM

So I don't normally get involved in the disputes over voter fraud but I couldn't avoid this.

It seems that Wyoming, according to their official webpage had a voter turnout of 106% percent. There is something like 230,000 registered voters, and 240,000 voted.

That's odd.

Here's the link, you can explore the site a little bit if you want, there is a page that has the number of registered voters on it too. Scroll down to the bottom of the chart, for the 2004 results. And there it is 106%

106% in the smallest state in the nation. I mean who watches Wyoming?

_MrE_

_MrE_

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2004

NOV 27, 2004 08:27 PM

It strangely interesting that the percentage rates spiked about 30% during the last two elections. Hmmm.

minimalism

minimalism

Argentina
OLD SKOOL

NOV 27, 2004 08:31 PM

What you never heard of 106%? It exists.

howdidigethere

howdidigethere

Oroville, CA
June 2004

NOV 27, 2004 08:41 PM

maybe they have provsional ballots like ohio ???

wrnits

wrnits

Montreal, QC
June 2003

NOV 27, 2004 08:43 PM

...

[Edited on Nov 27, 2004 by EthDem]

somegrunt

somegrunt

Shelton, WA
August 2004

NOV 27, 2004 08:48 PM

shit, i know the answer to this one! Wyoming isn't real. it just plain ain't there. you see, when they settled on the borders of America, there was a huge blank spot on the map. to correct it they would have had to re-survey the whole country. rather than go to all that trouble, they made up a name for another "state." they named it Wyoming.

is it really surprising that voter results from a fake state are fake?

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 27, 2004 08:50 PM

I have spent some time on the page, and I don't think it is a provisional ballot issue.

If you consider the turnout difference between 2002 and 2004 it suggests something more then 6% percent of the population voting twice because of provisional ballots.

Who knows what it was, or where the error took place, but there are potentially tens of thousands of votes that were cast illegally in this state. I always told my friends that it would be the small red states that would be the easiest to commit fraud in, because no one polls them, and they are always automatic wins. If you want to up your pop. vote this would be the way to do it. Ten thousand here, ten thousand there...

What I want to know, and what the site doesn't show is if all these voters also voted in the state, and congressional races as well?

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 27, 2004 09:34 PM

It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 27, 2004 09:36 PM

They also had 101% in 2000. Double hmmmmmm.

InfernoMDM

InfernoMDM

Hilton Head Island, SC
July 2003

NOV 28, 2004 12:52 AM

Exactly what are these numbers and what do they represent? I dont quite understand.

toothpickmoe

toothpickmoe

Los Angeles, CA
May 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:00 AM

InfernoMDM said:
Exactly what are these numbers and what do they represent? I dont quite understand.



That the voting system in America is a bunch of numeric bullshit, I think.

SupremePizzaMan

SupremePizzaMan

Seattle, WA
September 2003

NOV 28, 2004 01:13 AM

They must have day of registration, where you can go to the polling office and register to vote then and there and be a valid voter. Therefore they have more than 100% of the registered voter turnout because they had more register that day.

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 28, 2004 01:19 AM

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:22 AM

somegrunt said:
shit, i know the answer to this one! Wyoming isn't real. it just plain ain't there. you see, when they settled on the borders of America, there was a huge blank spot on the map. to correct it they would have had to re-survey the whole country. rather than go to all that trouble, they made up a name for another "state." they named it Wyoming.

is it really surprising that voter results from a fake state are fake?



clearly sir, you are a genius.
no one's ever agreed with me on that before.
they called it lies! but you! you knew the truth!

lostarchitect

lostarchitect

Brooklyn, NY
January 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:43 AM

Sorcha said:

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.




and in close elections, sometimes 3 votes can matter.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:47 AM

Bush didn't need to steal Wyoming, at all...

John Kerry could have been running against Joseph McCarthy and McCarthy would have won in a landslide.

I'm sure there's a plausible explanation.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:53 AM

and here's a plausible explanation

http://soswy.state.wy.us/press/g-pvti.pdf

Enigma_Entity

Enigma_Entity

Colorado Springs, CO
September 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:58 AM

*sees, reads, shakes head, leaves*

_MrE_

_MrE_

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 01:59 AM

yeah I figured it was something like that, but the drastic increase in 2000 followed by the inverse decrease in '02 only to once again rise again to 106% is still a little fishy to me. The polls read 60-70% consistantly except for the last two election years.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 02:02 AM

Midterms always have a lower turnout and there was indeed heightened intrest in this election, if I had to guess poll registration probably started in 2000.

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 28, 2004 02:25 PM

Sorcha said:

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.



Republicans outnumber Democrats in Wyoming 146,328 to 62,385. I figure that the extra 6% comes to 12,913 extra votes. Now, assuming everyone voted on the party they registered, the extra votes wouldn't have mattered because the state is red. Now, if this had happened in Ohio, Florida or some other state with a high electoral count, it would be a different story.

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 28, 2004 02:26 PM

lostarchitect said:

Sorcha said:

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.




and in close elections, sometimes 3 votes can matter.



If the election was that close and it came down to Wyoming, then the republicans win.

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 02:45 PM

Buaku said:

Sorcha said:

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.



Republicans outnumber Democrats in Wyoming 146,328 to 62,385. I figure that the extra 6% comes to 12,913 extra votes. Now, assuming everyone voted on the party they registered, the extra votes wouldn't have mattered because the state is red. Now, if this had happened in Ohio, Florida or some other state with a high electoral count, it would be a different story.



But 12,913 votes here, 12,913 there is a lot of votes man. Bush took Ohio, and Florida, I'll give him that, but his popular vote lead was not that high, and like I said above, the best way to commit voter fraud in this nation would be to do it in the states that you know you'll win.


Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

NOV 28, 2004 02:53 PM

This has been explained, there was no fraud....

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 28, 2004 02:59 PM

Buaku said:

Sorcha said:

Buaku said:
It's only 3 electoral votes, right? Who cares?


Comments like this irk me. We CARE because it isn't RIGHT.



Republicans outnumber Democrats in Wyoming 146,328 to 62,385. I figure that the extra 6% comes to 12,913 extra votes. Now, assuming everyone voted on the party they registered, the extra votes wouldn't have mattered because the state is red. Now, if this had happened in Ohio, Florida or some other state with a high electoral count, it would be a different story.


So that means they should get away with it? You're missing the point.

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