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FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 26, 2004 05:38 PM

s5 said:
mad cow is already in the US, but i seriously doubt anyone will change their eating habits.



For the record I no longer eat ground beef from anyplace were I can't see where was prepared.

The only thing as a policy matter that needs to be done is the manditory testing of downer cattle and and cattle born before the feed ban. They need to keep and import ban on countries that have no feed ban or poor enforcement of it.

SonOfMorrissey

SonOfMorrissey

Carmichael, CA
November 2003

NOV 26, 2004 05:43 PM

Are the blood tests for CJD cost prohibitive or just not effective until a late date of infection? Is there some reason why I can't ask to be screened for this during my annual physical? Just curious.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

NOV 26, 2004 05:48 PM

From the Wikipedia entry on Mad Cow Disease:

On December 23, 2003, the first case of BSE in the United States was found in a single Holstein cow in Washington State. Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman called the discovery "a clear indication that our surveillance and detection program is working." However, the United States tested only 20,526 cows in 2003 out of the roughly 35 million slaughtered. Current tests reveal the presence of misshaped prions when they are abundant, but it is not known how far the disease must progress in an individual to transmit it to others. Therefore, it is possible that even among those cattle that are tested and classified as negative, a proportion nevertheless may be contagious. As a result, U.S. authorities have very little idea of how many American beef cattle might have the disease.

The government plans to double the number of cattle tested in 2004, and has banned the use of "downer cows" for human consumption. While the Washington cow that tested positive for BSE was reportedly unable to stand, veterinarians say the condition was unrelated to BSE. Furthermore, there is some dispute as to whether the cow was a downer or not.[1] (http://slate.msn.com/id/2097229/) Therefore it is not clear by how much the ban is liable to reduce the number of infected cattle consumed. Only 200,000 cows slaughtered in 2003 were downers.

The meat of the BSE-positive cow went to market, but some of it was successfully recalled before it was sold to consumers. U.S. authorities called for a switch to the testing procedure that is used in the United Kingdom, which yields its results in one day. Until the switch, U.S. surveillance relied on a test that gave results only after two weeks, after which time the meat from an animal usually has all been sold.



I'm going to be so pissed if I die of this.


[Edited on Nov 26, 2004 by Keith]

_MrE_

_MrE_

Santa Cruz, CA
July 2004

NOV 26, 2004 05:52 PM

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 26, 2004 06:03 PM

Keith said:
I'm going to be so pissed if I die of this.



i doubt you will be.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

NOV 26, 2004 06:05 PM

s5 said:

Keith said:
I'm going to be so pissed if I die of this.



i doubt you will be.



Pissed or dying?

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 26, 2004 06:12 PM

pissed. i thought the disease made people lose their minds.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 26, 2004 06:15 PM

Tannhauser said:
For the record I no longer eat ground beef from anyplace were I can't see where was prepared.



you might find this interesting, then:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-08.htm

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

NOV 26, 2004 06:16 PM

s5 said:
pissed. i thought the disease made people lose their minds.



Well first you start to walk funny. tongue

Midnyte

Midnyte

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

NOV 26, 2004 06:24 PM

Well, the good news is, this woman's age makes regular old fashioned CJD the most likely cause. She is at the average age that this horrible disease strikes people. It sounds like an awful awful way to go though. I think I would wish for Kevorkian.

Also wild deer and some other wild animals in the US have had this for a long time, so eating venison or wild squirrel is a possible way she caught it. And worse, I read some researchers think it is a water borne thing and not actually from the brains of the cows at all. So who knows? Either way scary stuff, though driving to work on Monday is still much more likely to kill you.

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 26, 2004 06:32 PM

s5 said:

Tannhauser said:
For the record I no longer eat ground beef from anyplace were I can't see where was prepared.



you might find this interesting, then:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-08.htm



I'm well aware of it. My legislators already know my opinions. I have the advantage of a grocery store in my town that only sells locally raised beef. He already is preparing for that to pass. I already go there because depending who you are he has prime beef. When I was union, the conractor I worked for did an ADA remodel for him. So I'm connected. It sucks though about the labeling

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

NOV 27, 2004 09:59 AM

SonOfMorrissey said:
Are the blood tests for CJD cost prohibitive or just not effective


I don't think - and I could be wrong - that there is a blood test. I think they take a slice of brain. Don't quote me on that, I'd have to look it up first.

thunderbolts

thunderbolts

Toronto, ON
February 2004

NOV 27, 2004 10:15 AM

I wonder if there is a possibility of contamination through fertilizer used to grow vegetables.

Hopey

Hopey

Corvallis, OR
January 2004

NOV 27, 2004 06:23 PM

s5 said:
mad cow is already in the US, but i seriously doubt anyone will change their eating habits.



Fuck, I did.

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 27, 2004 06:36 PM

thunderboltz said:
I wonder if there is a possibility of contamination through fertilizer used to grow vegetables.



I don't think so, but I heard that some farmers recycle the bedding from their chicken coops and feed it to their cows. The only problem with this is that chickens are fed cattle bone meal.

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 27, 2004 06:50 PM

Keith said:

s5 said:
pissed. i thought the disease made people lose their minds.



Well first you start to walk funny. tongue



UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

NOV 28, 2004 03:40 AM

I remember a glorious weekend in England when, due to a sudden BSE scare , MacDonalds didtched all their meat and only sold vegetarian & fish burgers.

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 28, 2004 05:48 AM

Albion said:
I remember a glorious weekend in England when, due to a sudden BSE scare , MacDonalds didtched all their meat and only sold vegetarian & fish burgers.



Using cattle for McDonald's burgers is animal cruelty. puke puke

timmy55

timmy55

United Kingdom
October 2002

NOV 28, 2004 09:13 AM

demetrius_z said:

SonOfMorrissey said:
Are the blood tests for CJD cost prohibitive or just not effective


I don't think - and I could be wrong - that there is a blood test. I think they take a slice of brain. Don't quote me on that, I'd have to look it up first.



Yeah, you're right.

Most of the tests performed on vCJD victims while they were alive occurred when the patient was in the care of a neurologist. Generally, the tests only proved useful in excluding other possible conditions, and even now a conclusive diagnosis of vCJD is not usually possible until post-mortem neuropathological examination of the brain has been performed.



Source: The Inquiry into BSE and variant CJD in the UK

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