NEWS: Jews Banned From Kristallnacht Anniversary Observance

POLITICS: Jews Banned From Kristallnacht Anniversary Observance

As they say, some bizarre things happen only in America. Other things happen only in Europe. Here’s the latest.

Norway banned Jews from publicly observing the anniversary of Kristallnacht.

This comes as no surprise here

why on earth would they forbid remembering kristallnacht, disgusting things like that are exactly what we should remember.

While I am, as always, skeptical of reports based on reports based on reports based on reports of stuff that happened a week ago, what the hell was Norway doing commemorating Kristallnacht?

What would Kristallnacht be like without racism?

Wait... that's not praise. That's diplomatic speak for "He was a nutter, but he had some support, and if I say he was evil things could get nasty."

Also, from that same article:

Yet the French have a huge problem not just with anti-semitism, but with racism of every type. They hate the Jews, but they hate the Muslims and Arabs and etc etc etc too.

Arafat = Terrorism = Pro-Palestine = Anti-Israel = Nazis = Krastallnacht.

About as informative and nuanced an article as any piece of Arabic journalistic trash where

America = Israel = International Zionist Conspiracy = The Crusades

in my experience, broad judgements against entire countries are nothing but accurate. 100% even.

yes it should be remembered but ........lets not make it a national holiday..........moving on to the future sounds more invigorating.

i was about to say the same thing.

Damn, I guess people in Glass Continents should stop with the fucking stones sometime soon, then?

No, didn't think so. Better to bitch about American 'fascism' than admit the insanity that pervades The Good Ole World.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by BlueTrash]

You'd think that in an article fulminating about Arafat the terrorist, some mention would be made of the terrorism that was used to found Israel.

I thought this was about the band Kristinallnacht

It's actually an editorial...

That's funny... according to the group that organized the Kristallnacht commemoration, SOS Rasisme, what was banned was Israeli flags.. as well as Palestinian flags. They also barred a few political groups from attending, because these groups, while pro-Israeli, are also anti-Arab and are against Arabic people living in Norway. SOS-Rasisme says they didn't want any political trouble or any anti-Arabic or anti-Palestinian statements made at a Kristallnacht commemoration.

Interesting.

According to the organizers, what they banned was what they saw as inappropriate politics, not Jews. Funny that politics is exactly what they got.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by Shalome]

Also I'd like to know how many civilians the UN slaughtered to control the palestinians through fear. Yes they didn't want Israel established, yes there was a struggle, yes I'm sure innocents were killed, but please don't be like al jazziera and throw that word around, it has a very specific meaning.

This is much more likely as anti-arab/anti-isreal sentiment is running high all over the US and Europe. It's causing a lot of political trouble for everyone and so simply silencing public protest seems to be easiest way to deal with it.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by ERADICATOR]

Bah! The diplomat is saying the same thing everyone says about Arafat. He was very good at appearing to try to please everyone, which is why he was so good at political survival. It’s why most people acknowledge the man's genius, which is what the diplomat did, and unless I’m mistaken, that's praise.

is it really necesary to ban the star of david AND the israeli flag? I mean...doesn't the flag HAVE the star on it? it seems kind of...implied...

still...that's pretty fucking lame...next they'll only have 1 crazy night.

Straight from the organizers' website:

"Vi nektet aldri davidstjerner eller andre religiøse symboler i toget."
"We never declined Stars of David or any other religious symbol in the parade."

"Israelske flagg var ikke ønsket i toget, på samme måte som palestinske flagg."
"The Israeli flag wasn't desired in the parade, and neither was the Palestinian flag."

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by Shalome]

does anyone else find it dubious that the story says Jews were banned from the occasion while in actuality only symbols of Jewish and Palestinian nationalism were banned? isn't this kinda just a story about not wanting to politicize a tragedy and not really all that "news" worthy? i'm just wondering.

edited becuase i was lazy and did not see Shalome's earlier post.

[Edited on Nov 16, 2004 by dead_ringer]

Actually, SOS Racisme's website has a quite detailed letter from the head of the organization saying exactly what the guidelines were for the parade, and saying how the media (some of which was reporting second and third-hand) was reporting erroneous information. They seem pretty dismayed.

The real story is why would the media distort something like this so heavily? Why would the media and the echo chambers take this situation and try to say that a group dedicated to anti-racist and anti-nazi causes would actively ban Jews from participating at a Kristallnacht memorial? What possible purpose would this sort of distortion serve?

I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the fact that most of the world wasn't there, most of us can't read Norwegian, and this fits nicely with the "ALL OF EUROPE HATES OUR WONDERFUL ALLIES, ISRAEL! THEY LOVE THE ARAB TERRORISTS!" weirdness that some conservatives seem to have picked up lately.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by Shalome]

I think the answer to that is that the legitimate media didn't particularly. If you go back an look at who was saying what, you'll discover that they're all flaming partisan wannabes. The root source in blogland appears to be this guy's subjective take on it. Basically blogland has discovered that if they just keep repeating stuff the fact that people are talking about it becomes a story in and of itself and by the time the real facts are known that completely repudiate the meme, it's stale and nobody is paying attention. Basically its more of the right manufacturing conventional wisdom.

Thanks again, Michael.