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68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

NOV 09, 2004 07:27 PM

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4045


"The Republican party—the party of industrial mega-capitalists, corporate financiers, power brokers, and the moneyed elite—would like to thank the undereducated rural poor, the struggling blue-collar workers in Middle America, and the God-fearing underpriviledged minorities who voted George W. Bush back into office," Karl Rove, senior advisor to Bush, told reporters at a press conference Monday. "You have selflessly sacrificed your well-being and voted against your own economic interest. For this, we humbly thank you."

JovialLush

JovialLush

Las Vegas, NV
June 2004

NOV 09, 2004 07:32 PM

The bad thing is most of the poor saps have no clue that he just gave them a backhanded compliment. They still think they did a good thing.

koyanagisan

koyanagisan

South Holland, IL
May 2004

NOV 09, 2004 07:37 PM

but bush is a down home texan, right, right?
dont tell me Ive been dooped. whatever

EndedBen

EndedBen

Grand Rapids, MI
August 2004

NOV 09, 2004 07:40 PM

koyanagisan said:
but bush is a down home texan, right, right?
dont tell me Ive been dooped. whatever



Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 07:47 PM

koyanagisan said:
but bush is a down home texan, right, right?
dont tell me Ive been dooped. whatever



You mean a Connecticuttean?

Buaku

Buaku

Seattle, WA
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:03 PM

Former NASCAR driver Darrell Waltrip said that he was voting for Bush becuase, "Kerry lives in a mansion, Bush lives on a farm."

Yes, NASCAR fans, heed the advice of a man who used to drive around in circles.

Anabel

Anabel

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

NOV 09, 2004 08:06 PM

HA HA HA

JovialLush

JovialLush

Las Vegas, NV
June 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:06 PM

Bush lives on a farm the size of Massachusetts

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

NOV 09, 2004 08:07 PM

JovialLush said:
The bad thing is most of the poor saps have no clue that he just gave them a backhanded compliment. They still think they did a good thing.



You haven't heard of The Onion, have you? whatever

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

NOV 09, 2004 08:07 PM

JovialLush said:
Bush lives on a farm the size of Massachusetts



That didn't exist before 1999. robot

mariothemonkey

mariothemonkey

Avon, OH
June 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:09 PM

Buaku said:
Former NASCAR driver Darrell Waltrip said that he was voting for Bush becuase, "Kerry lives in a mansion, Bush lives on a farm."

Yes, NASCAR fans, heed the advice of a man who used to drive around in circles.



Any man who drives in cicles for hours on end should a) ak for directions or b) be shot or c) get a real job, like a farmer. Stupid "race" car drivers.
ooo aaa

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:25 PM

googuse said:

JovialLush said:
Bush lives on a farm the size of Massachusetts



That didn't exist before 1999. robot



And he didn't even live in Texas until after graduating from an elite Massachusetts prep school and an elite Connecticut university.

JovialLush

JovialLush

Las Vegas, NV
June 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:32 PM

googuse said:

JovialLush said:
The bad thing is most of the poor saps have no clue that he just gave them a backhanded compliment. They still think they did a good thing.



You haven't heard of The Onion, have you? whatever



No I am unfamiliar with the onion. I gather it is somewhat satyrical in nature by their comment. Mine however was sincere; most of the middle of the country has put aside their own well being for what the leaders of their church told them jesus wanted.

JonnyJonnyH

JonnyJonnyH

Seattle, WA
June 2003

NOV 09, 2004 08:44 PM

JovialLush said:
The bad thing is most of the poor saps have no clue that he just gave them a backhanded compliment. They still think they did a good thing.



No, it's from The Onion.

The Onion isn't actual news. It's all made up for our enjoyment.

This is why they were able to interview God after 9/11.

[Edited on Nov 09, 2004 by ankiel66]

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

NOV 09, 2004 08:46 PM

Cigarette said:

googuse said:

JovialLush said:
Bush lives on a farm the size of Massachusetts



That didn't exist before 1999. robot



And he didn't even live in Texas until after graduating from an elite Massachusetts prep school and an elite Connecticut university.



I believe the Bushes lived in Texas in the early 60s - they were neighbors with the Hinckleys in Houston

bredoteau

bredoteau

Rego Park, NY
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 08:56 PM

When an article from the Onion reads like less satire, more truth, you know you're fucked. Kind of like: "6 Months after 9/11, Nation goes back to caring about Stupid Dumb Shit." That's paraphased, but you get the point.

[Edited on Nov 09, 2004 by bredoteau]

cklarock

cklarock

Lawrence, KS
August 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:02 PM

The Onion isn't actual news. It's all made up for our enjoyment.

This is why they were able to interview God after 9/11.



And here I just thought God had awesome PR people.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

NOV 09, 2004 09:15 PM

The oldest fraud
Thomas Sowell

November 5, 2004

Election frauds are nothing new and neither are political frauds in general. The oldest fraud is the belief that the political left is the party of the poor and the downtrodden.

The election results in California are only the latest evidence to give the lie to that belief. While the state as a whole went for Kerry, 55 percent versus 44 percent for Bush, the various counties ranged from 71 percent Bush to 83 percent Kerry. The most affluent counties were where Kerry had his strongest support.

In Marin County, where the average home price is $750,000, 73 percent of the votes went for Kerry. In Alameda County, where Berkeley is located, it was 74 percent Kerry. San Francisco, with the highest rents of any major city in the country, gave 83 percent of its votes to Kerry.

Out where ordinary people live, it was a different story. Thirty-six counties went for Bush versus 22 counties for Kerry, and usually by more balanced vote totals, though Bush went over 70 percent in less fashionable places like Lassen County and Modoc County. If you have never heard of them, there's a reason.

It was much the same story on the votes for Proposition 66, which would have limited the "three strikes" law that puts career criminals away for life. Affluent voters living insulated lives in places well removed from high-crime neighborhoods have the luxury of worrying about whether we are not being nice enough to hoodlums, criminals and terrorists.

They don't like the "three strikes" law and want it weakened. While most California voters opposed any weakening of that law, a majority of the voters in the affluent and heavily pro-Kerry counties mentioned wanted us to stop being so mean to criminals.

This pattern is not confined to California and it is not new. There were limousine liberals before there were limousines. The same pattern applies when you go even further left on the political spectrum, to socialists and communists.

The British Labor Party's leader in the heyday of its socialist zealotry was Clement Attlee, who grew up in a large home with servants -- and this was not the only home his family owned. Meanwhile, Margaret Thatcher's family ran a grocery store and lived upstairs over it.

While the British Labor Party was affiliated with labor unions, it was the affluent and the intellectuals in the party who had the most left-wing ideologies and the most unrealistic policies. In the years leading up to World War II, the Labor Party was for disarmament while Hitler was arming Germany to the teeth across the Channel.

Eventually, it was the labor union component of the party that insisted on some sanity, so that Britain could begin preparing to defend itself militarily -- not a moment too soon.

When Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto, they were a couple of spoiled young men from rich families. All their talk about the working class was just talk, but it appealed to other such young men who liked heady talk.

As Engels himself put it, when the Communist group for whom the Manifesto was written was choosing delegates, "a working man was proposed for appearances sake, but those who proposed him voted for me." This may have been the first rigged election of the Communist movement but it was certainly not the last.

All sorts of modern extremist movements, such as the Weathermen in the United States or the Bader-Meinhof gang in Germany, have attracted a disproportionate number of the affluent in general and the intellectuals in particular.

Such people may speak in the name of the downtrodden but they themselves are often people who have time on their hands to nurse their pet notions about the world and their fancies about themselves as leaders of the poor, saviors of the environment or whatever happens to be the Big Deal du jour.

Osama bin Laden is not someone embittered by poverty. He is from a very rich family and has had both the time to nurse his resentments of the West and the money to organize terrorists to lash out in the only way that can give them any significance.

The belief that liberal, left-wing or extremist movements are for the poor may or may not be the biggest fraud but it is certainly the oldest.

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:26 PM

stockula said:
The oldest fraud
Thomas Sowell

November 5, 2004

Election frauds are nothing new and neither are political frauds in general. The oldest fraud is the belief that the political left is the party of the poor and the downtrodden.

The election results in California are only the latest evidence to give the lie to that belief. While the state as a whole went for Kerry, 55 percent versus 44 percent for Bush, the various counties ranged from 71 percent Bush to 83 percent Kerry. The most affluent counties were where Kerry had his strongest support.

In Marin County, where the average home price is $750,000, 73 percent of the votes went for Kerry. In Alameda County, where Berkeley is located, it was 74 percent Kerry. San Francisco, with the highest rents of any major city in the country, gave 83 percent of its votes to Kerry.

Out where ordinary people live, it was a different story. Thirty-six counties went for Bush versus 22 counties for Kerry, and usually by more balanced vote totals, though Bush went over 70 percent in less fashionable places like Lassen County and Modoc County. If you have never heard of them, there's a reason.

It was much the same story on the votes for Proposition 66, which would have limited the "three strikes" law that puts career criminals away for life. Affluent voters living insulated lives in places well removed from high-crime neighborhoods have the luxury of worrying about whether we are not being nice enough to hoodlums, criminals and terrorists.

They don't like the "three strikes" law and want it weakened. While most California voters opposed any weakening of that law, a majority of the voters in the affluent and heavily pro-Kerry counties mentioned wanted us to stop being so mean to criminals.

This pattern is not confined to California and it is not new. There were limousine liberals before there were limousines. The same pattern applies when you go even further left on the political spectrum, to socialists and communists.

The British Labor Party's leader in the heyday of its socialist zealotry was Clement Attlee, who grew up in a large home with servants -- and this was not the only home his family owned. Meanwhile, Margaret Thatcher's family ran a grocery store and lived upstairs over it.

While the British Labor Party was affiliated with labor unions, it was the affluent and the intellectuals in the party who had the most left-wing ideologies and the most unrealistic policies. In the years leading up to World War II, the Labor Party was for disarmament while Hitler was arming Germany to the teeth across the Channel.

Eventually, it was the labor union component of the party that insisted on some sanity, so that Britain could begin preparing to defend itself militarily -- not a moment too soon.

When Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto, they were a couple of spoiled young men from rich families. All their talk about the working class was just talk, but it appealed to other such young men who liked heady talk.

As Engels himself put it, when the Communist group for whom the Manifesto was written was choosing delegates, "a working man was proposed for appearances sake, but those who proposed him voted for me." This may have been the first rigged election of the Communist movement but it was certainly not the last.

All sorts of modern extremist movements, such as the Weathermen in the United States or the Bader-Meinhof gang in Germany, have attracted a disproportionate number of the affluent in general and the intellectuals in particular.

Such people may speak in the name of the downtrodden but they themselves are often people who have time on their hands to nurse their pet notions about the world and their fancies about themselves as leaders of the poor, saviors of the environment or whatever happens to be the Big Deal du jour.

Osama bin Laden is not someone embittered by poverty. He is from a very rich family and has had both the time to nurse his resentments of the West and the money to organize terrorists to lash out in the only way that can give them any significance.

The belief that liberal, left-wing or extremist movements are for the poor may or may not be the biggest fraud but it is certainly the oldest.



Is this from the Onion too? I think I missed this article.

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:29 PM

BillHaverchuck said:
Is this from the Onion too? I think I missed this article.



nah, just more rhetoric that doesn't mean anything - we got at least 4 more years of it...

bredoteau

bredoteau

Rego Park, NY
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:33 PM

stockula said:
The oldest fraud
Thomas Sowell

November 5, 2004

Election frauds are nothing new and neither are political frauds in general. The oldest fraud is the belief that the political left is the party of the poor and the downtrodden.

The election results in California are only the latest evidence to give the lie to that belief. While the state as a whole went for Kerry, 55 percent versus 44 percent for Bush, the various counties ranged from 71 percent Bush to 83 percent Kerry. The most affluent counties were where Kerry had his strongest support.

In Marin County, where the average home price is $750,000, 73 percent of the votes went for Kerry. In Alameda County, where Berkeley is located, it was 74 percent Kerry. San Francisco, with the highest rents of any major city in the country, gave 83 percent of its votes to Kerry.

Out where ordinary people live, it was a different story. Thirty-six counties went for Bush versus 22 counties for Kerry, and usually by more balanced vote totals, though Bush went over 70 percent in less fashionable places like Lassen County and Modoc County. If you have never heard of them, there's a reason.

It was much the same story on the votes for Proposition 66, which would have limited the "three strikes" law that puts career criminals away for life. Affluent voters living insulated lives in places well removed from high-crime neighborhoods have the luxury of worrying about whether we are not being nice enough to hoodlums, criminals and terrorists.

They don't like the "three strikes" law and want it weakened. While most California voters opposed any weakening of that law, a majority of the voters in the affluent and heavily pro-Kerry counties mentioned wanted us to stop being so mean to criminals.

This pattern is not confined to California and it is not new. There were limousine liberals before there were limousines. The same pattern applies when you go even further left on the political spectrum, to socialists and communists.

The British Labor Party's leader in the heyday of its socialist zealotry was Clement Attlee, who grew up in a large home with servants -- and this was not the only home his family owned. Meanwhile, Margaret Thatcher's family ran a grocery store and lived upstairs over it.

While the British Labor Party was affiliated with labor unions, it was the affluent and the intellectuals in the party who had the most left-wing ideologies and the most unrealistic policies. In the years leading up to World War II, the Labor Party was for disarmament while Hitler was arming Germany to the teeth across the Channel.

Eventually, it was the labor union component of the party that insisted on some sanity, so that Britain could begin preparing to defend itself militarily -- not a moment too soon.

When Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto, they were a couple of spoiled young men from rich families. All their talk about the working class was just talk, but it appealed to other such young men who liked heady talk.

As Engels himself put it, when the Communist group for whom the Manifesto was written was choosing delegates, "a working man was proposed for appearances sake, but those who proposed him voted for me." This may have been the first rigged election of the Communist movement but it was certainly not the last.

All sorts of modern extremist movements, such as the Weathermen in the United States or the Bader-Meinhof gang in Germany, have attracted a disproportionate number of the affluent in general and the intellectuals in particular.

Such people may speak in the name of the downtrodden but they themselves are often people who have time on their hands to nurse their pet notions about the world and their fancies about themselves as leaders of the poor, saviors of the environment or whatever happens to be the Big Deal du jour.

Osama bin Laden is not someone embittered by poverty. He is from a very rich family and has had both the time to nurse his resentments of the West and the money to organize terrorists to lash out in the only way that can give them any significance.

The belief that liberal, left-wing or extremist movements are for the poor may or may not be the biggest fraud but it is certainly the oldest.




I don't see the point. Why can't someone from a high income bracket endorse the welfare state? Engels was a factory owner; if the writer of this piece thinks he's doing the philosophical equivalent of Celebrities Exposed!, he's wrong. Go to the Marx Haus in Trier: pretty damn bourgeois.

"All their talk about the working class was just talk, but it appealed to other such young men who liked heady talk."

That's the most ignorant propaganda I've ever heard. Disagree with Marxism or not, it is rigorous philosophy richly informed by the German tradition. The manipulation of Marxian ideas towards nefarious ends is actually one hell of an ironic tribute to Marx's key insight: alienation.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

NOV 09, 2004 09:34 PM

dead_ringer said:

BillHaverchuck said:
Is this from the Onion too? I think I missed this article.



nah, just more rhetoric that doesn't mean anything - we got at least 4 more years of it...



I think they're some pretty good points. Republicans are the party of the wealthy? Then why did George Soros and several other billionaires throw millions to get rid of Bush?

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?041018fa_fact3

Bush is worth maybe $16m, Kerry's wife over a billion. Edwards and many other trial lawyers of ungodly wealth are democrats. New York City , San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Seattle..........all very wealthy cities, all firmly in the tank for Kerry and the Democrats.

The worm has turned in American politics. You can keep dismissing it as "rhetoric that doesn't matter", it's fine by me. You can feel morally superior. I'll be happy with winning elections. Over and over and over again.


[Edited on Nov 09, 2004 by stockula]

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:41 PM

stockula said:


I think we should make up a new word for posting a completely unrelated article with absolutely no merit towards the argument at hand. We can name it after the person that seems to do this more than anyone I've ever seen in my years online.

bredoteau

bredoteau

Rego Park, NY
April 2004

NOV 09, 2004 09:45 PM

Look at this house! Marx is clearly shit!



Ok, sorry, done ranting.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 09, 2004 09:51 PM

Stock, your story loses the forest for the trees, again.

Not surprising.

Who is Ken Lay friends with again?

How much was/is Dick Cheney collecting from Halliburton?

Who was Theresa Heinz Kerry married to beforehand, and what party did he represent?

Who owns the Carlyle Group, and which party do they donate the most to?

Which party is always against raising the minimum wage?

and, of course, no "normal people" live in San Fransisco...

Could you post something that isn't shoddy partisan crap, just once, please?

Please?

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