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SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

NOV 19, 2004 07:03 PM

Shalome said:

Flux said:

euphplayer said:

s5 said:
the cure for obesity is eating right and physical activity.



Yes, but it doesn't help when the government approves high fattening things for consumption by ignorant people. Half of the problem is High Fructose Corn Syrup, a very high fattening base used in sodas.



You sound like a liberal, wanting to restrict free commerce and all. wink



Yes, whatever happened to personal responsibility? confused



High fructose corn syrup is the American Way!

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 19, 2004 07:14 PM

"consumers want choice."

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 19, 2004 07:52 PM

euphplayer said:
Normal sugars, like glucose, sucrose, and fructose are able to be broken down in the cells and turned into the ATPs that our bodies function on. A single molecule of sugar is able to make 36 ATP, which is why we are able to do so much before we get tired. People who drink too much soda and eat too much candies and foods containing HFCS get tired very easily, because the body can't process it.

Sorry if I was long winded there, but the evidence is plain to see in front of you = Fat people.



Here's a news flash: HFCS is sugar. Actually, two of them. It is composed of sucrose and fructose. Guess what table sugar is: sucrose and fructose. Some kinds of HFCS have more fructose than table sugar does. Some have about the same. Both are sugar. Both are converted to glucose. There is no biochemical reason the body would know the difference between sugars in the form of HFCS or sugar in the form of table sugar. And you haven't provided one. That there are more fat people just doesn't cut it as evidence. Want to try again?

Dr_Zoidberg

Dr_Zoidberg

Raymore, MO
June 2004

NOV 19, 2004 07:56 PM

I guess I'll post this again, since you obviously didn't read it.


First of all, the presence of fructose does not cause the release of insulin from the pancreas like table sugar does. This means that any fructose in the bloodstream that does not get used for energy right away will be stored as fat. Secondly, fructose does not cause the formation or release of certain substances and hormones that tell the body that it has eaten and turns off hunger. In other words, when you consume a cookie sweetened with HFCS instead of sugar, your brain never gets the message that you have eaten something. That, in turn, makes it more likely that you will continue to eat, even though you shouldn’t still be hungry.


http://www.illnessisoptional.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=55&z=11

If you like reading, here is some more information.

Dr_Zoidberg

Dr_Zoidberg

Raymore, MO
June 2004

NOV 19, 2004 08:00 PM

smithers_jones said:
That there are more fat people just doesn't cut it as evidence.


That's like saying smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, when the evidence is right in front of you. I have shown you the evidence twice.

I bet you are one of those people who think the holocaust never happened, aren't you?

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

NOV 19, 2004 08:14 PM

People in general are eating worse and getting less exercise. I have a feeling that has a lot more to do with obesity than a single ingredient in their sodas.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

NOV 19, 2004 08:14 PM

euphplayer said:

I bet you are one of those people who think the holocaust never happened, aren't you?



And this was just dumb.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 19, 2004 08:42 PM

euphplayer said:
That's like saying smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, when the evidence is right in front of you. I have shown you the evidence twice.



ridiculous. there are two possibilities for what might go into your lungs: clean air, and smoke. diet, on the other hand, is complex. no two people eat the same foods, and there have been plenty of other changes in the american diet in the last few decades. people eat more meat, more refined grains, more refined sugars and more hydrogenated fat than they ever have, and they are less physically active.

repeat this three times while facing east: correlation is not causation.

I bet you are one of those people who think the holocaust never happened, aren't you?



yes, denying the systematic murder of millions of people is exactly like disagreeing with your article about high fructose corn syrup.

[Edited on Nov 19, 2004 by s5]

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 19, 2004 10:44 PM

euphplayer said:
I guess I'll post this again, since you obviously didn't read it.

First of all, the presence of fructose does not cause the release of insulin from the pancreas like table sugar does. This means that any fructose in the bloodstream that does not get used for energy right away will be stored as fat.

Secondly, fructose does not cause the formation or release of certain substances and hormones that tell the body that it has eaten and turns off hunger. In other words, when you consume a cookie sweetened with HFCS instead of sugar, your brain never gets the message that you have eaten something. That, in turn, makes it more likely that you will continue to eat, even though you shouldn’t still be hungry.



I read your post. Here is what is wrong with it. You conflate HFCS with fructose. And make a false distinction between fructose and sugar. Once more with feeling. HFCS is a sugar—an artificially produced disaccharide composed of two simple sugars—glucose and fructose (Fructose is the sugar that is in fruit—if the problem of obesity if fructose, than fruit must also make people obese according to your argument). The sugar on your table is exactly the same (fructose and glucose) only it isn’t artificially produced and HFCS can be manipulated to contain more fructose. Glucose can be absorbed in the blood stream right away, (which does lead to insulin production. (Incidentally, insulin is a hormone that functions to store excess energy.) some fructose is converted into glucose in the liver and sent into the blood stream. Your body will either use it for energy, store it as glycogen, or store it as fat. This depends on your bodies metabolic needs, not on what form you consumed the sugar in.

If you eat cookies because you are hungry, you will get fat whether its made from HFCS or table sugar. The problem is not the fructose, the problem is that cookies are calories dense, so eating enough cookies to feel full is a fuck load of calories.


What exactly is a P.D. degree?


If you like reading, here is some more information.



The study links obesity to the consumption of soda and other sweetened beverages containing HFCS and is not the indictment of fructose that you seem to think it is. Did you even read it?. It hypothesizes a partial biochemical explanation (though admits it lacks the clinical study to establish it) and even then limits its conclusion to HFCS taken in liquid form (sodas juices). The authors conclude that HFCS consumed in solid foods likely doesn’t have the same problems. It relies more heavily on the fact that as a result of drinking more soda people are consuming more calories and drinking less milk.

euphplayer said:
I bet you are one of those people who think the holocaust never happened, aren't you?



No, I’m not. I am one of those people who took exercise physiology. I bet you are one of those people who resort to comparing people to Nazi’s when they run out of arguments. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some manscaping to do before I fuck my girlfriend.


[Edited on Nov 19, 2004 by smithers_jones]

thelost

thelost

United Kingdom
June 2004

NOV 19, 2004 11:57 PM

wottan said:
Word is that Australian scientists have manufactured a mouse that only has half the standard amount of body fat despite an unrestricted diet.

Reportedly, this development is on the road towards a cure for the growing obesity problem that plagues much of the Westernized world.

The study was performed at the Garvan Institute in Sydney, Australia. Professor David James has stated that their 'hot mouse' has been made to burn energy much faster than normal.

"They're missing one gene and the absence of that one gene allows these mice to eat essentially the equivalent of an extra meal every day of their lives but despite that, they only have half the amount of body fat a normal mouse does," Prof James told AAP.

This missing gene has in it the plan for a protein that slows down fat to energy conversion. And despite these mice not having it, they enjoy the same life span and reproductive capabilities as normal mice.

A drug that could mirror this effect in humans would likely have the same effect, and such medication could be no further away than five years.



a cure for fat mice: stop prodding them with needles and feeding them crap in a lab cage.

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