NEWS: The Gay Marriage Election

cheap trickery. it's astonishing how those with money and education can fool those without so easily.

Dude, just stop, please. Stop characterizing republicans as stupid and poor - you're wrong, and it's one of the reasons we're in this fucked up situation. We need to understand this country better than that.

chalk 1 win up for guns, god, and gays. i have to say i had higher hopes for america but apparently we are a bunch of bigoted fundamentalist christians.

*sigh*

Who the hell am I, or the government, to tell two consenting adults what they can and can not do? And outlawing gay marrage wont make 'them' go away, either. *rolls eyes*

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Says who?

Everything I read says they didn't.

huh?

you've misunderstood what i mean.

republicans are a mix. they are both wealthy and poor, educated and ignorant. what i'm saying is that i know why the wealthy vote for bush, and i know why the poor do as well, but they both have different reasons. the wealthy in the party manipulate the poor through underfunding of public education and use of wedge issues to acheive their own ends: more money, more power.

CLEARLY the poorer and less educated members of the GOP are being fooled, because they're voting for a party that doesn't give a rat's ass about their welfare and uses religion (etc) as a cynical tool against them. meanwhile, they're voting against a party that has their well-being much more in mind, but that doesn't pander to their religion.

I am offended because people my age didn't vote.

this is such a letdown. i volunteered for Kerry-Edwards, and we registered so many people in the state of New Mexico, most of whom were totally, viciously against GWB and his administration; but for whatever reason, despite all the polling leading up to the election, and the polling done during the election which put Kerry in favour, we still lost.

Can't wait for what we might get now.

Federal laws prohibiting abortion and gay marriage? A call for reservists because the military doesn't know how to allocate troops? Who knows. I know I'm looking forward to it.

the entire focus on gay marriage as an issue is nothing but a diversion tactic used by these neo-conservatives running this mess of a country. when all your policies are crap, pander towards emotional issues (god, gays, guns).

i saw more youthful here than i ever have before. but numbers were up all around

Fair enough. But that's still a pitiful percentage of elgible voters under 30. Something like 17%, if I have it right. This election has done nothing to change the image of the apathetic youth bloc.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but supression of their rights will surely spark the gay communities to rise up united against the ammendments. I certainly hope so.

Really? The exit polls had Kerry up 15 points in PA, and winning several of the closer states like New Mexico and Iowa that he eventually lost.

So I wouldn't classify them as infallible.

Well, look at it this way: in a couple years those folks will probably be out of jobs and too poor to vote next time around, not be able re-educate themselves through affordable college, and unable to cure their neurological diseases brought on by the polution in their local rivers... but at least all those godless homos can't live together in holy matre'mony.

how sad and typical that not only did bush win, he did so by appearling to rather sad and twisted sense of morals.

it's like not only is the world stuck with bush for the next four years we're also stuck with all the backwards stupid shit that ought to be avoided with him.

i guess i was naively thinking the same thing. living in the north east may have led me to belive that socially we were making great strides. i did not really realize that the middle of the country and the south harbored such animous, bigotry, and anger for humans who excercised a different life style than their own. i thought we had moved on to live-and-let-live.

i'm not too sure what to think of my country today. this is my 3d presidential election and never before today have i felt like i was unamerican. is anyone else just kinda dazed to learn that this is our country, or have i just lived in the northeast for too long?

maybe i am out of step...

I know it really doesn't matter here, but this is the least fair and balanced post I've seen in a long time. There's a lot of really insane assumptions and generalizations going on in this post. 22% of the voters saying moral values is important does not lead directly to 22% striving to keep dick out of ass. And let's not forget that Kerry was opposed to gay marraige also. Bush even came out in support of civil unions in the days leading up to the election, something that a majority of Americans from both parties support, hardly making him the figurehead of the same-sex inquisition.

Not supporting gay marraige is not the same as hating gays. It's really not, despite the insane rhetoric that you hear on this board..

Not to mention the assumption that black and latino voters only voted for Kerry, clearly not true in light of the 55% that voted for Bush in Florida.

"Christians united by fear are an incredibly large and powerful group of people. Pick your issue, a huge percentage of Bush voters voted out of fear of something that would ultimately have little to no influence on their lives. Why are people in Montana afraid of terrorists? Why are people in MIssissippi frightened by lesbians?"

"The Republicans have been successful because they've repeated a consistent ideology for 30 years. The ideology of the Republican party is summarized as follows:

* The United States is the greatest country in the world

* Family and church are the foundation of social stability, not the public sector

* Anyone who works hard enough can be rich

There is no similar list for liberals but there should be. As attractive as that list sounds to many, many people in this country, it is ultimately only a half truth and an over-simplistic view or right and wrong. When liberals define liberalism for themselves and start repeating the same basic points, they can reclaim their party."

- this was written by a friend of mine, AE

Haven't you heard of the Phnom Penh-style homosexual killing fields in Middle-America? The bodies of gays are stacked nipple high out there. Milk-bearing baby-rearing nipple-high, that is.

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Way to cherry pick the facts.

Certainly in a vacuum, 22% voting on "values" indicates only that 22% of the electorate would prefer to be pandered to than to look at actual evidence of character, not rampant homophobia. The rampant homophobia however is evidence of rampant homophobia and this administration has been leveraging it since Bush' first run against Richards. Kids being suspended from school for saying their own mothers (who are gay) are gay, and anonymous fliers with men kissing and RNC mailers saying liberals want to promote sodomy, and Bush saying that gay sex should be illegal is pretty fucking conclusive evidence of intolerance.

As for the hispanic vote in Florida, sorry but its driven by reactionary right wing Cubans. It is emblematic of nothing more than that.

Look, my sole point is that calling this an election between kids, blacks, latinos, and people who are solely voting on the issues of gay marraige is just insane.

This whole post is claiming that this election is based on nothing more than gay marraige. I just don't believe it, and a 22% return saying they voted for bush because of moral values is hardly any sort of evidence that this is the issue that sunk Kerry's campaign. Is it an issue? Yes. Is it the sole issue? no. Is it the defining issue of this election? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Unless maybe I somehow missed the inordinate amount of time that the firebrand gay marraige issue received during the debates, which amounted to (I believe) one question in the presidential domestic policy debate and one in the vice-presidential debate.

Although you probably got me with the kids being suspended line. After all, punishing toddlers is one of the executive powers.

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