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BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2004 04:47 PM

stockula said:**snip**

Who can say why the Bush-hating American media and al-Jazeera aren't interesting in running the whole tape?

**snip**



Because they usually let the intelligence communities have it first in case there are any hidden messages or activation orders. The simple appearance of the tape itself may be an activation order but keeping the rest of the tape under wraps for the time being is the safest route. This is the first OBL in how long? They are going to go over that thing with a fine tooth comb before releasing it.

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

OCT 31, 2004 04:49 PM

UpTight said:

YAWG said:

UpTight said:

wtchlkn4 said:
My conspiracy theory is that the tape is a fake.



It's kind of funny seeing Liberals regroup their conspiracy theories after the "Bush will produce the captured Bin Laden" idea bit the dust.



Er...are you even reading the thread? Everyone here believes it's real.



Er...did you even read my post? I was replying to point wtchlkn4 made.



Sorry, but it didn't seem that way. If you consider who stated they thought the tape was real it's less than a group mentality than an individual's thoughts. Now if everyone came on here and agreed they thought the tape was fake and shot in the basement of the White House then I'd agree there is a bit of a herd mentality going on. I don't think people on this site equate Stockula's more...um interesting...posts with representing the Conservative point of view.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

OCT 31, 2004 04:53 PM

BTW you can see the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"

Classy

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by UpTight]

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

OCT 31, 2004 04:55 PM

YAWG said:

UpTight said:

YAWG said:

UpTight said:

wtchlkn4 said:
My conspiracy theory is that the tape is a fake.



It's kind of funny seeing Liberals regroup their conspiracy theories after the "Bush will produce the captured Bin Laden" idea bit the dust.



Er...are you even reading the thread? Everyone here believes it's real.



Er...did you even read my post? I was replying to point wtchlkn4 made.



Sorry, but it didn't seem that way. If you consider who stated they thought the tape was real it's less than a group mentality than an individual's thoughts. Now if everyone came on here and agreed they thought the tape was fake and shot in the basement of the White House then I'd agree there is a bit of a herd mentality going on. I don't think people on this site equate Stockula's more...um interesting...posts with representing the Conservative point of view.



yeah, but I saw the thread title, read the first point being made and replied to it. Also, I have seen others make the same accusation.

fenris23

fenris23

Vancouver, BC
February 2003

OCT 31, 2004 04:56 PM

UpTight said:
BTW you can the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"

Classy



Just a different tactic. The Intention was to make himself look "classy".
Kerry wants to look agressive.

Neither is better. They just used a different gambit.

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

OCT 31, 2004 04:59 PM

Mike said:

YAWG said:

UpTight said:

wtchlkn4 said:
My conspiracy theory is that the tape is a fake.



It's kind of funny seeing Liberals regroup their conspiracy theories after the "Bush will produce the captured Bin Laden" idea bit the dust.



Er...are you even reading the thread? Everyone here believes it's real. Not the mass conspiracy theory regrouping you claim.


What he is saying is that for months people said Bush was going to trot OBL out right in time for the election. This doesnt seem to be likely right now. The comment made sense to me. Try rereading the post.



Right, I got that. One thing that gets to me is broad generalisations. I honestly believed that Bin Laden's body was probably rotting in a cave somewhere untill this tape surfaced. I never bought the whole "bringing him out at the election" theory. I'm not that cynical I guess. This whole us vs. them attitude between Liberals and Conservatives is really silly. We are all individuals. To start lumping everyone in this category or that one is a bit prejudiced.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

OCT 31, 2004 05:05 PM

MetaTag said:
Bush is fighting the wrong war.

"Almost thirty million injuries and over 20,000 deaths are caused each year by defective or unsafe products, including such everyday items as hairdryers, toasters, baby chairs, air conditioners, automobiles and hand tools". Source

Give me billions of dollars and let me take away your long lived rights and I will make the world safe from toasters and the people who make toasters.



20,000? That's NOTHING!

In a typical year, 36,000 Americans die from the flu. That mortality figure rises to 51,000 when flu-related complications, like heart attacks and strokes, are included. (Source: CNN)



Classify the flu virus as a terrorist entity! THIRD WORLD CANADIAN FLU SHOTS FOR ALL!


[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by Shalome]

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

OCT 31, 2004 05:11 PM

UpTight said:
BTW you can see the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"

Classy

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by UpTight]



gimme a break, bush feebly made an attempt to look presidential once in this campaign. every week the GOP looks nice and "classy" questioning kerry's resolve on terrorism, essentially to the point of questioning his patriotism. "class" is not a word that any republican should be using when comparing the two candidates and their tactics in this campaign.

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

OCT 31, 2004 05:21 PM

UpTight said:
BTW you can see the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"

Classy

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by UpTight]



perhaps you should quote their complete statements rather than cherry-pick. or are you al-busheera? in fact, kerry made a much better statement than bush did. want me to quote it?

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

OCT 31, 2004 06:21 PM

UpTight said:
BTW you can see the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"

Classy



Lest anyone be laboring under the laughable misconception that George W. Bush is a "classy" campaigner (Jesus, that's hilarious biggrin), Josh Marshall will be posting some material soon that details what happens at Bush/Cheney rallies before the press shows up.

Oh yeah, it's really classy, such as:


Later we'll also be discussing what they say about Kerry and Edwards at those Bush rallies before they let the travelling press in room. Today in Florida, Kerry the favorite of foreign terrorists. Or 'When the terrorists come to your house, who would you rather have on your front porch: John Kerry and his SNOWBOARD??? Or George W. Bush and his shotgun?' Or on a lighter note, jokes hinting that Kerry and Edwards are gay lovers. That, and so much more.



Assholes.

Attack_Macaque

Attack_Macaque

Mesquite, TX
September 2004

OCT 31, 2004 07:43 PM

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

stockula said:
Bin Laden's whining about how tough his job is lately...

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by stockula]



...sounds somewhat less pathetic when compared to Bush's whining during the first debate, when he used the "phrase" hard work 13 times despite spending over 40 percent of his presidency on vacation. blackeyed


The presidency is a 24/7 job. He is NEVER "on vacation" as those reports like to keep saying. Those figures also include his weekend "time off". Are you on vacation every time its your day off? Are you on vacation right after you punch that time clock and go home? Get real, please. whatever



Whether or not he happens to fit in a few visits with his pals like Russian dictator Vladimir Putin when he's in Crawford, in between fundraisers and carefully staged photo ops out on the ranch, the fact is that he isn't in Washington dealing with the bulk of the responsibilities that he assumed when he had himself appointed president. I don't know where you're getting this stuff about weekends - as I understand it, the report is referring to the amount of time that he has spent either at one of several vacation spots or in transit to one of these spots. When I punch the time clock and go home for the weekend, I don't generally hop into a waiting helicopter or jumbo jet and fly off somewhere. But that's just me... ooo aaa

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

NOV 01, 2004 02:28 AM

Attack_Macaque said:

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

stockula said:
Bin Laden's whining about how tough his job is lately...

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by stockula]



...sounds somewhat less pathetic when compared to Bush's whining during the first debate, when he used the "phrase" hard work 13 times despite spending over 40 percent of his presidency on vacation. blackeyed


The presidency is a 24/7 job. He is NEVER "on vacation" as those reports like to keep saying. Those figures also include his weekend "time off". Are you on vacation every time its your day off? Are you on vacation right after you punch that time clock and go home? Get real, please. whatever



Whether or not he happens to fit in a few visits with his pals like Russian dictator Vladimir Putin when he's in Crawford, in between fundraisers and carefully staged photo ops out on the ranch, the fact is that he isn't in Washington dealing with the bulk of the responsibilities that he assumed when he had himself appointed president. I don't know where you're getting this stuff about weekends - as I understand it, the report is referring to the amount of time that he has spent either at one of several vacation spots or in transit to one of these spots. When I punch the time clock and go home for the weekend, I don't generally hop into a waiting helicopter or jumbo jet and fly off somewhere. But that's just me... ooo aaa



"When he had himself appointed president"? Now I know to stop talking to you because you have had almmost 4 years to figure that one out and you are still getting it wrong.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 01, 2004 03:16 AM

UpTight said:
BTW you can see the difference between the two candidates by their initial reaction to the emergence of the tape.

Kerry took it as an opportunity to campaign for himself saying "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush''

Whereas Bush was gracious to his opponant - simply saying "America will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of this country. I am sure Senator Kerry agrees with that"



I don't see what your point is. They're both telling the truth.

Dead_Ringer

Dead_Ringer

I'm lost
September 2004

NOV 01, 2004 05:37 AM

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

stockula said:
Bin Laden's whining about how tough his job is lately...

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by stockula]



...sounds somewhat less pathetic when compared to Bush's whining during the first debate, when he used the "phrase" hard work 13 times despite spending over 40 percent of his presidency on vacation. blackeyed


The presidency is a 24/7 job. He is NEVER "on vacation" as those reports like to keep saying. Those figures also include his weekend "time off". Are you on vacation every time its your day off? Are you on vacation right after you punch that time clock and go home? Get real, please. whatever



Whether or not he happens to fit in a few visits with his pals like Russian dictator Vladimir Putin when he's in Crawford, in between fundraisers and carefully staged photo ops out on the ranch, the fact is that he isn't in Washington dealing with the bulk of the responsibilities that he assumed when he had himself appointed president. I don't know where you're getting this stuff about weekends - as I understand it, the report is referring to the amount of time that he has spent either at one of several vacation spots or in transit to one of these spots. When I punch the time clock and go home for the weekend, I don't generally hop into a waiting helicopter or jumbo jet and fly off somewhere. But that's just me... ooo aaa



"When he had himself appointed president"? Now I know to stop talking to you because you have had almmost 4 years to figure that one out and you are still getting it wrong.



and you've had 4 years to get someone to explain bush v. gore to you.

Attack_Macaque

Attack_Macaque

Mesquite, TX
September 2004

NOV 01, 2004 06:06 PM

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

Mike said:

Attack_Macaque said:

stockula said:
Bin Laden's whining about how tough his job is lately...

[Edited on Oct 31, 2004 by stockula]



...sounds somewhat less pathetic when compared to Bush's whining during the first debate, when he used the "phrase" hard work 13 times despite spending over 40 percent of his presidency on vacation. blackeyed


The presidency is a 24/7 job. He is NEVER "on vacation" as those reports like to keep saying. Those figures also include his weekend "time off". Are you on vacation every time its your day off? Are you on vacation right after you punch that time clock and go home? Get real, please. whatever



Whether or not he happens to fit in a few visits with his pals like Russian dictator Vladimir Putin when he's in Crawford, in between fundraisers and carefully staged photo ops out on the ranch, the fact is that he isn't in Washington dealing with the bulk of the responsibilities that he assumed when he had himself appointed president. I don't know where you're getting this stuff about weekends - as I understand it, the report is referring to the amount of time that he has spent either at one of several vacation spots or in transit to one of these spots. When I punch the time clock and go home for the weekend, I don't generally hop into a waiting helicopter or jumbo jet and fly off somewhere. But that's just me... ooo aaa



"When he had himself appointed president"? Now I know to stop talking to you because you have had almmost 4 years to figure that one out and you are still getting it wrong.



LOL, please. Bush is "president" now by virtue of the fact that he had a 5-4 Republican majority on the supreme court, and a brother in the Florida governor's office who was willing to conspire with the Florida SS (Bush's state campaign manager) to suppress thousands of African-American votes. Nice redirect, by the way...

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