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Renton

Renton

Valparaiso, IN
January 2004

SEP 11, 2004 12:57 PM

The editor of this should be fired for not fixing the spelling of "Virgina"....nice editing!

Neyrissa

Neyrissa

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

SEP 11, 2004 01:18 PM

Who the Hell gives a shit if he was doing that? That's his private life...and none of anyone's business...for fuck's sake...

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

SEP 11, 2004 01:22 PM

Thomas Jefferson said to serve the public you must become the property of the public. or words to that effect. then he smoked some opium and went to an orgy.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

SEP 11, 2004 01:24 PM

Patrick_Lasswell said:
I do wish that Republicans had a more mature response to matters of sex. That way gay politicians could come out of the closet and address real issues instead of wasting time and energy concealing their sexuality.
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Oh. My. God. I actually agree with Patrick on something.

surreal

wink

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

SEP 11, 2004 01:42 PM

Vixen said:
Who the Hell gives a shit if he was doing that? That's his private life...and none of anyone's business...for fuck's sake...


If he's got the backing of the Christian Coalition, I don't see the problem with it. It's hypocritical by his own standards.

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

SEP 11, 2004 01:48 PM

Midnyte said:


Jayce said:
Career politics, like organized religion, is the breeding ground of corruption regardless of denomination or party.



So true, so sad and so true.

That said, I think I may run next year for something on the Libertarian ticket, because at this primary, I had to write in half of the candidates and there wasn’t even a write in available for several of the offices. It only takes 12 signatures to get on the ballot here. And while I may never actually win a seat, at least I could get into the debates and shake things up a bit. Would you vote for me kiss

edited to give credit to Jayce

[Edited on Sep 11, 2004 by Midnyte]



no, that would be wrong, because I don't live in Arizona.

otaku

otaku

USA
January 2004

SEP 11, 2004 01:58 PM

IamSick said:
i'm going out on a limb here, but my guess would be that Shrock is hypocritical because he's anti-gay rights. the christian coalition isn't well known for backing canidates with progressive views towards gay marriage, generally. so it would be somewhat hyprocitical to have homosexual activites and be anti gay rights, yes?




Of course it could have been one of those "It's God's Will" things... blackeyed

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

SEP 11, 2004 02:00 PM

shit man, i love it when god pulls one of his random "i'm just fucking wit you people" moments. always a good time.

Patrick_Lasswell

Patrick_Lasswell

Portland, OR
January 2003

SEP 11, 2004 03:14 PM

Shalome,

Have you ever seen me post anything you disagree with on matters of sexuality legislation or gender freedom? If we talked about tort reform, I think you'd find me exactly on the right page...if tort reform wasn't so incredibly dull as to induce narcolepsy in otherwise healthy people.

I suppose it's difficult to see past the posts surrounding mine that include such fits of screaming wrath to consider the possibility that I am a liberal. Regretably, in my dictionary, the word liberal is not spelled C-O-N-F-O-R-M-I-S-T.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

SEP 11, 2004 04:27 PM

DeadlyEye said:

Racer_X said:
Because he proclaims to be a born-again Christian ,who incidentally hate faggots, and turns out to be a defacto cocksucker...

I'd say he's a dead on hypocrite.

wink



Alright, after looking around I see he voted "yes" on the marriage protection act. That doesn't necessarily mean he is "anti-gay"
Like you said, he is Christian and may see marriage as a religious ceremony. Marriage by definition is a man and woman bound together. Maybe by voting against it he was being anything but hypocritical by staying true to his faith.
It is too bad that his career is essentially destroyed because of his sexual preference.




The Human Rights Campaign that I referenced in the article is a gay and lesbian rights orginization, notice the 0% rating he recived, for a number of different votes. He's anti-gay, no question about it.

St_Expedite

St_Expedite

New Orleans, LA
January 2004

SEP 11, 2004 04:38 PM

Patrick_Lasswell said:
Shalome,

Have you ever seen me post anything you disagree with on matters of sexuality legislation or gender freedom?



Have we ever seen you post anything on matters of sexuality legislation or gender freedom, period?

If we talked about tort reform, I think you'd find me exactly on the right page...if tort reform wasn't so incredibly dull as to induce narcolepsy in otherwise healthy people.



Cool, so you think tort reform is a sham perpetuated by corporate interests so they can get away with poisoning and injuring people and not worry about paying for their negligence? I'm pretty surprised, but good for you.


I suppose it's difficult to see past the posts surrounding mine that include such fits of screaming wrath to consider the possibility that I am a liberal. Regretably, in my dictionary, the word liberal is not spelled C-O-N-F-O-R-M-I-S-T.



Patrick, the problem that people have with your posts isn't the position that they take, it's that they're pompous and snide, largely without factual support (or they ignore relevant factual information), and you often rely on logical fallacies to reach your conclusions. You could be to the left of Emma Goldman and that would still be true.

ThrowDownTheMic

ThrowDownTheMic

Buffalo, NY
August 2004

SEP 11, 2004 05:03 PM

I already posted this in another thread OH WELL!





I offer to you a simple equation from the brilliant mind of Mr. Henry Rollins.


(W)(X) / (Y) = (Z)


W= 160 pounds (The average weight of a US Soilder)
X= 1003 US Troops
Y= 1 Ton (2,000 pounds)


With the average weight of a US soilder being 160 pounds, and 1003 US Troops Dead in Iraq, Knowing that war casualties tend not to be peaceful, and usually are the result of bombs and extreme gunfire, its easy to say that the majority of the U.S. Soliders die completly destroyed.

Since the war has begun,80.24 TONS OF US SOILDER BLOOD, GUTS, LEGS AND BRAINS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED BACK TO THE UNITED STATES


god bless america!

chickenfuckers bok

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 11, 2004 05:46 PM

DeadlyEye said:
Racer_X said:
Because he proclaims to be a born-again Christian ,who incidentally hate faggots, and turns out to be a defacto cocksucker...

I'd say he's a dead on hypocrite.

wink



Alright, after looking around I see he voted "yes" on the marriage protection act. That doesn't necessarily mean he is "anti-gay"



Sorry but where I come from denying people basic civil rights is seen as being rather in opposition to them.

Like you said, he is Christian and may see marriage as a religious ceremony.



Which is rather negated by his oath to uphold the constitution, including the establishment clause. Jews believe its anathema to eat shellfish. You don't see them legislating Red Lobster out of business.

Marriage by definition is a man and woman bound together.



Uhhhh, no.

Maybe by voting against it he was being anything but hypocritical by staying true to his faith.



So, its important to stay true to his faith by not letting other people who don't practice it do as they see fit, but not important to stay true to his faith by not having sleazy, anonymous sex with strange men?

It is too bad that his career is essentially destroyed because of his sexual preference.



No, it totally appropriate, insofar as his electability is crippled by policies and platforms that he promoted.

DeadlyEye

DeadlyEye

Memphis, TN
December 2003

SEP 11, 2004 06:52 PM

..screw it. I don't like arguing.

[Edited on Sep 11, 2004 by DeadlyEye]

OnlyOblivion

OnlyOblivion

Youngstown, OH
August 2004

SEP 11, 2004 06:59 PM

Looks like it's time for the Left to mobilize an army of lipsticked little boys and cut, lisping men with cucumbers stuffed down their slacks. Hell, done with proper, covert media support, the Christian church and the Republican party could be history by the time the election rolls around!

Southuhn

Southuhn

San Diego, CA
February 2004

SEP 11, 2004 07:03 PM

DeadlyEye said:
Main Entry: mar·riage
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created


It's a good thing you have a copy of The One True, Official Dictionary Given to Us By God Himself, because I lost my copy.

Seriously, Merriam-Webster's is not the final word on the matter. I would venture to say most people can imagine two people of the same sex being married — few people object to gay marriage on the grounds that they don't know what the term means — so that tells me that in the common lexicon, it has a meaning not directly tied to sex.

[Edited on Sep 11, 2004 7:06PM]

DeadlyEye

DeadlyEye

Memphis, TN
December 2003

SEP 11, 2004 07:07 PM

Southuhn said:

DeadlyEye said:
Main Entry: mar·riage
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created


It's a good the you have a copy of The One True, Official Dictionary Given to Us By God Himself, because I lost my copy.

Seriously, Merriam-Webster's is not the final word on the matter. I would venture to say most people can imagine two people of the same sex being married — few people object to gay marriage on the grounds that they don't know what the term means — so that tells me that in the common lexicon, it has a meaning not directly tied to sex.



Yes, and I won't let anybody borrow my copy. It's signed, too.
Seriously, I'm all for gay marriage.. it makes no difference to me.. but, marriage is a religious rite. Civil unions are another thing completely.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 11, 2004 07:45 PM

stockula said:
I figure he's hypocritical if he voted on anti-gay legislation and made speeches condemning gayness. Did he?



Well of course he did. In his time in Congress, Schrock has sought every possible opportunity to persecute gays and lesbians. For example, Congressman Schrock made a big deal about publicizing his opposition to Bill Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, which attempted to prevent discrimination against gays and lesbians in the United States military. In his speeches against toleration of gays and lesbians in the military, Ed Schrock raised his voice to a shrill pitch in order to emphasize how icky he believed homosexuals to be. "You're in the showers with them!" he screeched. "You're in the bunk room with them, you're in staterooms with them!"

But that's ok...Schrock is in good company in the annals of conservative hypocrisy.


  • Ronald Reagan tried to join the American Communist Party's leadership, but when he was rejected, started naming other Communists to Joseph McCarthy's House Unamerican Activities Committee.

  • Newt Gingrich tried to have Bill Clinton thrown out of office for having extramarital sex, at the same time that Gingrich himself was having an affair.

  • Strom Thurmond supported racial segregation laws forbidding people of different ethnic background from having sex, even though he had himself fathered a child with an underage African-American servant who was working in his parents' house.

  • Rush Limbaugh spent years calling for strict sentences for drug abusers, but suddenly changed his tune and pleaded for leniency when he was caught illegally abusing drugs himself.

  • Like Rush Limbaugh, George W. Bush pushed as Texas governor for harsh sentences for drug offenders, even though he has refused to deny using cocaine himself.


Now if you would like to provide some anti-gay hypocrisy of McGreevey's I will happily brand him with the scarlet H. Until that time he is simply a man who gave his boyfriend a job. Nothing more.




**syntax edit




[Edited on Sep 12, 2004 by BatAttaK]

decommissioned

decommissioned

Churchs Ferry, ND
January 2003

SEP 11, 2004 09:55 PM

BatAttaK said:
Well of course he did. In his time in Congress, Schrock has sought every possible opportunity to persecute gays and lesbians. For example, Congressman Schrock made a big deal about publicizing his opposition to Bill Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, which attempted to prevent discrimination against gays and lesbians in the United States military. In his speeches against toleration of gays and lesbians in the military, Ed Schrock raised his voice to a shrill pitch in order to emphasize how icky he believed homosexuals to be. "You're in the showers with them!" he screeched. "You're in the bunk room with them, you're in staterooms with them!"



Well, you do have to admit that at least he was speaking with firsthand knowledge, which is probably more than most people in congress can say (as far as we know, anyway).

And truth be told, I wouldn't want to be in the shower with Ed Schrock, either.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 11, 2004 11:06 PM

biggrin biggrin

Points well taken.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 11, 2004 11:58 PM

DeadlyEye said:

Southuhn said:

DeadlyEye said:
Main Entry: mar·riage
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created


It's a good the you have a copy of The One True, Official Dictionary Given to Us By God Himself, because I lost my copy.

Seriously, Merriam-Webster's is not the final word on the matter. I would venture to say most people can imagine two people of the same sex being married — few people object to gay marriage on the grounds that they don't know what the term means — so that tells me that in the common lexicon, it has a meaning not directly tied to sex.



Yes, and I won't let anybody borrow my copy. It's signed, too.
Seriously, I'm all for gay marriage.. it makes no difference to me.. but, marriage is a religious rite.



No, in some cultures and for some faiths, marriage is a religious rite. Religious marriages are not recognized a legally binding in about half of Europe. Half the world recognizes plural marriage. Our own federal government in fact recognizes plural marriage for foreign nationals conducted abroad. The notion of marriage advanced by the thumpers is, in fact exclusively Christian and only about 150 years old. Ancient Rome, whose rite ours is based in fact had half a dozen different forms of marriage. Hundreds of millions of people the world over still practice symbolic or literal bride capture as the binding family unit.

Marriage historically has little or nothing to do with love or God and everything to do with the transfer and retention of property and privilege.

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