Baudot said:
I can only imagine that flying a probe next to a GIANT CONTINUOUS HYDROGEN BOMB EXPLOSION, skimming a little off the top, and returning it safely back to earth was a more challenging problem yet.
gutterman said:
Sure, it's easy to criticize someone else's work. THEY fucked it up. THEY suck. THEY are stupid. If it's so easy, why are you working at Tower Records and not making 6 figures sending probes into space? Oh yeah, because you are too busy probing your left nostril with a pen you found on the floor.
Anyone can send something INTO space..but apparently the trick is getting things BACK from space.
yumyum said:
if i hire someone to cater a dinner for me and they serve dog food, you bet i'm going to say they suck and they fucked it up and they're stupid. same with this. i would expect with their level of expertise that jpl would have a good idea of what they were doing. they're getting paid 6 figures for their genius and their aerospace engineering degrees.
You have an extremely narrow and limited view of the engineering part of the Genesis program -- all you know about is what failed. You know nothing about the tradeoffs and design constraints (time, mass, money, technical possibilities) that informed the design decisions that the engineers made. Without that information, you have no right to call anyone involved stupid.
yumyum said:
if i hire someone to cater a dinner for me and they serve dog food, you bet i'm going to say they suck and they fucked it up and they're stupid. same with this. i would expect with their level of expertise that jpl would have a good idea of what they were doing. they're getting paid 6 figures for their genius and their aerospace engineering degrees.
You have an extremely narrow and limited view of the engineering part of the Genesis program -- all you know about is what failed. You know nothing about the tradeoffs and design constraints (time, mass, money, technical possibilities) that informed the design decisions that the engineers made. Without that information, you have no right to call anyone involved stupid.
what's wrong with admitting when someone has fucked up? my boss certainly lets me know when i've fucked up, and i can admit when i've done something stupid. i consider leaving out an emergency parachute a stupid decision. with all the history and experience NASA has, they should know by now that things don't always work the way they're supposed to. i would think that if the Genesis was able to launch and gather all the data it needed, the return would be the most crucial part of the operation. now, because they didn't put in a basic safety precaution, years of information are potentially destroyed. i understand issues of weight restrictions, engineering difficulties, etc., but i don't consider an emergency parachute an expendable item.
now they've wasted a whole lot of money just so that the whole project can be redone with an emergency parachute. if it's redone at all.
[Edited on Sep 09, 2004 by yumyum]
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Coliwali
I'm lost
February 2003
SEP 10, 2004 02:39 PM
huh
Turns out they DIDNT need a parachute. Most, if not all of the data is intact. Go NASA.
friedbanana105
Antarctica
November 2003
SEP 09, 2004 01:14 PM