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luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 11:09 AM

I'm a fairly well read guy, and ALL of this is new to me.

Very disturbing.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

buzzhum

buzzhum

Atlanta, GA
February 2003

SEP 08, 2004 11:11 AM

what is it..I kept staring at a blank screen.....

SonOfMorrissey

SonOfMorrissey

Carmichael, CA
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 11:13 AM

Again! Jeesh...

Clunk

Clunk

I'm lost
August 2004

SEP 08, 2004 11:14 AM

This'd be the thing that's appeared about 3 threads already, then?

luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 11:25 AM

Yikes! That'll teach a brother who's trying to share the knowledge.

hippiekiller420

hippiekiller420

Stroudsburg, PA
August 2004

SEP 08, 2004 11:27 AM

All of this and a hell of alot more was in David Ickes book "Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disasters" He gets a bit far out with the whole bohemian grove infant sacrifice rituals, but his documentation on the attacks are very hard to refute. Of cours this missed the public radar like a cruise missile through crowded washington streets..... William Cooper is rolling in his grave.

TheRedBaron

TheRedBaron

Cambridge, MA
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 11:28 AM

I hadn't seen it until now.

what point are they trying to make, exactly?

Clunk

Clunk

I'm lost
August 2004

SEP 08, 2004 11:36 AM

MEROVINGIAN said:

luckybestwash said:
Yikes! That'll teach a brother who's trying to share the knowledge.




Share away brother....share away....

*raises fist in show of solidarity*




Yeah, ditto. Sorry if I sounded snappy frown

RubberSoul

RubberSoul

Los Angeles, CA
February 2003

SEP 08, 2004 11:40 AM

I heard Bigfoot was responsible and he flew in from the Bermuda Triangle along with the Loch Ness Monster.

luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 11:43 AM

No worries, y'all.

I guess the point of the video wasn't to prove a specific point as it was to disprove the common accepted notion that it was a commercial airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. No point really, other than to ask questions.

I remember waatching the towers fall, and than seeing the Pentagon. Through the horror and grief, I couldn't help but think, "Wow, the Pentagon is tough as SHIT!"

Velvetone_Fusion

Velvetone_Fusion

Owings Mills, MD
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 11:46 AM

TheRedBaron said:
I hadn't seen it until now.

what point are they trying to make, exactly?


I hadn't seen it either
Edit: sure, go ahead and answer my quetions before i ask them, see if i care!

[Edited on Sep 08, 2004 by Velvetone_Fusion]

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 11:49 AM

Man, I love you people.

And I love how some people seem to think our goverment is incapable of trying to pull a fast one over the American Populace.

Ahem...Iran Contra...Watergate...The Teapot Dome, fer fuck's sake...

hippiekiller420

hippiekiller420

Stroudsburg, PA
August 2004

SEP 08, 2004 11:58 AM

If anything, you should be glad that someone actually has the balls to question what happened, rather than take it as it was fed. An event of this magnitude beckons very little reflection from the public, only reaction. If you begin to look at the official versions closely you will begin to see holes all over, but questioning it makes you unamerican of course.

SonOfMorrissey

SonOfMorrissey

Carmichael, CA
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 12:11 PM

luckybestwash said:
I remember waatching the towers fall, and than seeing the Pentagon. Through the horror and grief, I couldn't help but think, "Wow, the Pentagon is tough as SHIT!"



It is, seriously. Read up on all the stuff they did to shore it up against truck based bombs...it's all over this board in other threads. It's actually quite amazing...kevlar lining behind the limestone and all.

And didn't you know smart ass comments are the SG Community's way of expressing love and affection?

biggrin

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 12:27 PM

Honestly? Telling us something isn't true isn't the same as proving something isn't true. Sorry, but it ain't.

I'm not saying this did or did not happen. I'm merely saying that the explinations offered sound no more credible than the accusations that were made.

luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 12:44 PM

Idjiit said:

hippiekiller420 said:
If anything, you should be glad that someone actually has the balls to question what happened, rather than take it as it was fed. An event of this magnitude beckons very little reflection from the public, only reaction. If you begin to look at the official versions closely you will begin to see holes all over, but questioning it makes you unamerican of course.



Questioning is good with subjects that have even a shred of doubt surrounding them. This, however, is not one of those cases. It's the usual paranoid shit you hear from people inclined to think that everything is conspiracy.

As indicate in the other threads, this is already a well-covered topic:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm



I'm a huge fan of Snopes, but there are a number of problems with their explanation.

1) They don't explain why there was NO skid marks on the grass immediately following the crash. Especially weird since their claim is that the plane hit the ground FIRST. They talk about how the sanding of the lawn was not ordered and just a byproduct of repair.

2) They don't address the size of the last hole in ring d.

3) They don't talk about the eyewitness accounts that say it sounded like a missle or some other kind of small jet powered craft (and if you live in D.C. you definately know the difference between the sound of a commercial plane, and a military one).

4) They don't talk about how the plane appeared to flying parallel to the ground, not an angle of attack.

5) The "Black Marks" that the wings allegedly made are completely asymmetrical, with one "wing" being over twice as long as the other.

6) I'm an army vet, and I used to work in Ammunitions and Explosives. High-Explosive rounds, (anything that uses molten metal to penetrate armor, like HEAT rounds or Point Initiating Base Detonating rounds) operate much in the same way as a jet airliner would. The explosion would instantaneously melt all surrounding metal into a spike of molten metal proportionate to its size. The size of the hole(as shown in the video) would have been MUCH larger from a commercial airliner with all that JP4 loaded into it, than say if a small craft would have.

Just sayin'.

luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 12:44 PM

plasticfangs said:
Honestly? Telling us something isn't true isn't the same as proving something isn't true. Sorry, but it ain't.

I'm not saying this did or did not happen. I'm merely saying that the explinations offered sound no more credible than the accusations that were made.



Agreed, I just think its important to explore all options.

luckybestwash

luckybestwash

Valley Village, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 08, 2004 01:44 PM

"If it didn't crash into the Pentagon, where is Flight 77 and the people on it?"

At my place. Chillin'.

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

SEP 08, 2004 01:51 PM

I'm just going to bback slowly out of this thread...

problem_eyeball

problem_eyeball

United Kingdom
February 2004

SEP 08, 2004 05:52 PM

definately makes you think whatever

Lain

Lain

Astoria, NY
April 2004

SEP 08, 2004 06:01 PM

fuckin a...

how many times...


Swing and A Miss.