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punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

SEP 07, 2004 10:00 PM

Tomorrow over the Utah desert, two helicopter stunt pilots will attempt to snatch the Genesis capsule – a 400 pound NASA probe that has been collecting solar wind particles from the sun – out of mid-air as it travels at 400 feet-per-minute towards the Earth. And if that wasn’t enough pressure, the feat will be broadcast live, worldwide, over NASA television.

The helicopter pilots will have five chances to snag the capsule in midair. Military pilots were unavailable for a mission that required them to commit to a task six years in the future. The civilian pilots have replicated the retrieval without fumbles in dozens of practice runs, but are terrified of failing as NASA television broadcasts a worldwide feed.

[…]

Genesis has been moving in tandem with Earth outside its magnetic shield on three orbits of the sun. Now on a trajectory back home, it is picking up speed rapidly as Earth's gravitational pull brings it closer and will hit a top speed of 24,600 mph before the atmosphere slows the descent.


Scientists hope to use the solar wind particles to “reconstruct the chemical origin of the sun and its family of planets,” as well as “learn the precise composition of the sun.”

Beats tossing the old ball around in the back yard with dad, doesn’t it?

Oracle

Oracle

Courtenay, BC
September 2003

SEP 07, 2004 10:16 PM

this I have to see

baudot

baudot

Oakland, CA
February 2004

SEP 07, 2004 10:18 PM

So it sounds like the hardest thing will just be getting the helicopters into position. When you're trying to catch something moving ~300 miles an hour, there's only so much last-minute course correction you can do it it doesn't come down where you think it should, or if you aren't where you think you are. Seems like GPS devices to give true position of the 'copters would go a long way towards making this possible. Wonder what tools NASA has to track the incoming sat during re-entry? (You can't get any information to speak of by radio from anything during the first part of re-entry. The ionization from the friction over the hull trashes any signal you'd try to get out. So: The sat will NOT be reporting its own position for much of the important time frame. Some kind of ground observation station(s) figuring out the trajectory it actually took, I suppose?

But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?

m0unds

m0unds

Rio Rancho, NM
April 2003

SEP 07, 2004 10:20 PM

quote from the genesis mission homepage:

"Later this month, Genesis will execute the first in a series of trajectory maneuvers that will place the spacecraft on a route toward Earth. On Sept. 8, 2004, the spacecraft will dispatch a sample-return capsule containing its solar booty"


solar booty...hee hee

August_Mobius

August_Mobius

Canada
November 2002

SEP 07, 2004 10:43 PM

I hope there's some good footage taken of this.

somethin1919

somethin1919

I'm lost
May 2004

SEP 07, 2004 11:10 PM

That can't be right.....400 feet per minute is very slow.....Like less than five mph......it would have to be moving a lot faster than that.....400 feet per second (approximately 270 mph or 438 kmph) would make a lot more sense.

Trucker_Fiction

Trucker_Fiction

Normal, IL
December 2003

SEP 07, 2004 11:24 PM

i want to see pictures of space booty.

Ecto_Cooler

Ecto_Cooler

Bronx, NY
April 2004

SEP 07, 2004 11:28 PM

baudot said:
So it sounds like the hardest thing will just be getting the helicopters into position. When you're trying to catch something moving ~300 miles an hour, there's only so much last-minute course correction you can do it it doesn't come down where you think it should, or if you aren't where you think you are. Seems like GPS devices to give true position of the 'copters would go a long way towards making this possible. Wonder what tools NASA has to track the incoming sat during re-entry? (You can't get any information to speak of by radio from anything during the first part of re-entry. The ionization from the friction over the hull trashes any signal you'd try to get out. So: The sat will NOT be reporting its own position for much of the important time frame. Some kind of ground observation station(s) figuring out the trajectory it actually took, I suppose?

But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?




That's what I was wondering. You can't maneuver a helicopter to get two chances, let alone five.

JoshXXX

JoshXXX

Northborough, MA
March 2004

SEP 08, 2004 12:41 AM

I'd watch it, but I don't get the Boring Network.

NASA needs to get priorities straight. If the pilots get nervous because of the coverage, don't cover it. Why risk millions in research just so the NASA popularity thermometer can go up a few points.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

SEP 08, 2004 12:47 AM

JoshXXX said:
Why risk millions in research just so the NASA popularity thermometer can go up a few points.


perhaps the popularity thermometer affects how many millions is made available to them in the first place?

JoshXXX

JoshXXX

Northborough, MA
March 2004

SEP 08, 2004 01:15 AM

jason said:

JoshXXX said:
Why risk millions in research just so the NASA popularity thermometer can go up a few points.


perhaps the popularity thermometer affects how many millions is made available to them in the first place?



Which is a problem in and of itself. The funding should be based on research and findings, not on who's voted prom king.

LightbulbJack

LightbulbJack

Lansing, MI
December 2003

SEP 08, 2004 04:57 AM

Boy, what could possible go wrong with this plan? The only thing I know about this is what I just read here. Why didn’t they just leave it up until a shuttle mission could get it? Seems like a better idea than a 400 mile an hour version of catch.

ColdLithium

ColdLithium

Wichita Falls, TX
July 2004

SEP 08, 2004 05:36 AM

It is probably filled with alien space cum..the world is doomed puke puke

Stric9

Stric9

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

SEP 08, 2004 06:35 AM

It's filled with shaky space booty from the sun. If I catch it can I keep it?

FlotsomandJetsom

FlotsomandJetsom

Waban, MA
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 07:46 AM

Hopefully it's free to watch

I_Poop_Too_Much

I_Poop_Too_Much

I'm lost
February 2004

SEP 08, 2004 08:05 AM

baudot But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?



Five sets of copters, each at different altitudes and N/S/E/W coordinates?

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

SEP 08, 2004 08:17 AM

eyeofcolossus said:

baudot But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?



Five sets of copters, each at different altitudes and N/S/E/W coordinates?


I'm watching the coverage right now. The capsule has a large parachute, which will slow it down quite a bit, and they anticipate that it will be slow enough to reposition the helicpoters five times.

JoshXXX

JoshXXX

Northborough, MA
March 2004

SEP 08, 2004 08:21 AM

aj said:

eyeofcolossus said:

baudot But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?



Five sets of copters, each at different altitudes and N/S/E/W coordinates?


I'm watching the coverage right now. The capsule has a large parachute, which will slow it down quite a bit, and they anticipate that it will be slow enough to reposition the helicpoters five times.



Well, that's hardly 400 miles per hour, now is it.

Velvetone_Fusion

Velvetone_Fusion

Owings Mills, MD
November 2003

SEP 08, 2004 08:50 AM

JoshXXX said:

aj said:

eyeofcolossus said:

baudot But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?



Five sets of copters, each at different altitudes and N/S/E/W coordinates?


I'm watching the coverage right now. The capsule has a large parachute, which will slow it down quite a bit, and they anticipate that it will be slow enough to reposition the helicpoters five times.



Well, that's hardly 400 miles per hour, now is it.


no! In fact it's almost like 400 feet per minute. wink

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

SEP 08, 2004 09:06 AM

Velvetone_Fusion said:

JoshXXX said:

aj said:

eyeofcolossus said:

baudot But... five chances? How exactly will they get five chances? Obviously it's not going to pass the same batch of helicopters 5 times. Anyone know what this 5 chances business is?



Five sets of copters, each at different altitudes and N/S/E/W coordinates?


I'm watching the coverage right now. The capsule has a large parachute, which will slow it down quite a bit, and they anticipate that it will be slow enough to reposition the helicpoters five times.



Well, that's hardly 400 miles per hour, now is it.


no! In fact it's almost like 400 feet per minute. wink


More like 100 miles per hour… The chute and airfoil did not deploy, and the capsule just slammed into the ground.

Rannie

Rannie

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 08, 2004 09:09 AM

wow. it's like the superbowl for nasa fans.
wonder who's gonna win?
tongue

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

SEP 08, 2004 09:22 AM

Randomly said:
wow. it's like the superbowl for nasa fans.
wonder who's gonna win?
tongue


I'd say the ground won. But sinse it only happened a few minutes ago i can't find a story to link to.

ferrofluid

ferrofluid

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

SEP 08, 2004 10:16 AM

D'oh!

AcidGrampa

AcidGrampa

Berkeley, CA
September 2003

SEP 08, 2004 10:30 AM

Butterfingers.

per

per

Norway
August 2004

SEP 08, 2004 11:11 AM

That is so sad. frown

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