Is it that big of a deal?

Is it that big of a deal to anyone that Kerry threw away his war metals? Also is it really much of a concern that he changes his mind on different issues? I mean it seems like all these things are very minor compared to the shit Bush has pulled off throughout his lifetime.

i'd rather see someone who is willing to change their mind and go with a better idea than someone who continues on while wrong, simply to not have to admit having made a mistake.

I was thinking that as well.

This says it better than I can. It was written by a guy called Charlie Brooker in a column he writes every Saturday for the Guardian newspaper here in the UK.

The column is actually a (generally) scathing TV review and he was using this as a way of leading in to something else, but it was good to see. I mean what is so good about never changing your mind?

Hehehe...that was funny once I looked at your location.

don't let the right wing influence your mind.

he trew away his medles

well darn, maybe he didn't want them anymore

he sounds more normal then most to me, if i'd vote i'd go for him, i meen, he didn't go to two of the best universitys in the world, but he also didn't fall off something that you can't fall off of or drink for most of his life

Hahaha, i didn't notice that, i was actually going to ask her who she was going to vote for.

(This is my 300th post, wOOt.)

No one gets to call someone who volunteered to fight in a war unpatriotic. Its against the rules.




Unless they volunteered for the other side.


[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by TheRedBaron]

I heard John Lennon threw away his MBE from the Queen. I still liked him.

There was a time that I was very unpatriotic and during this time I was involved with the American Indian Movement (AIM). One of our symbols was that of an upside down American flag and I had one sewn to my backpack for ages. I was frustrated with our government, disappointed in my peers... and mostly just angry that what we as Americans stood for was not what I believed in.

I am now much more of a patriot, although I still disagree with much of what we do and many of our policies. Personally I'm glad that Kerry wasn't one of the dolts bred to be in politics who never had passion for anything other than power and wealth. Most of those guys (George W. included) have nothing to offer but more of the beaurocratic bullshit that makes our nation look foolish to the rest of the world. I'm glad that Kerry can change his mind and also glad that he stood up for something he believed in.

I can see how he could throw away his medals as they were tainted by the lies that our government told us about that war.

surely we're all intelligent enough to realise that ANY ammunition that the bush administration can muster against whom is potentially a dangerous rival can and will be used with great prejudice?

in the face of Bush's 'patriotic' stance, Kerry being able to stand up and give his opinion which may or may not 100% support any actions taken by the motherland (america this time round) is practically political suicide after the spin which can be put upon said opinions.

just my thought anyway.

the things that really get's me about him throwing his medals away is now he is talking them up so much, if he was so damned disgraced about his service in Vietnam then why is he talking it up now...

also John Kerry tried to get a differment but was turned down so he enlisted in the Naval Reserves (so that he wouldn't be drafted) and his unit just so happened to get activated...

well, i cannot confess to know the details of kerry's life; but it seems unlikely the current administration would be above very many things to discredit him or help themselves.

Both of these guys want to get elected more than actually become president. I hate them both. I don't care that Kerry flip-flops on issues, but I do care that he's doing it soley because he doesn't know which will help him get elected.

I swear, if this bastard thought that pissing on his fathers grave could boost his approval rating, he'd do it and make sure the cameras were watching.


And bush is just an asshole.



[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by One_Pure_Thought]

Our leaders are supposed to go with the will of the people. That's the point of a representative democracy (republic.) All politicians need to give less interest to the focus groups and advisors and more to the expressed will of the people. Perhaps then there would be less "flip-flopping."

but don't forget, "The Masses are Asses"--Alexander Hamilton

[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by Damnedboy]

It's all politics if you focus on two flaws and repeat them and repeat them, as opposed to general ideas they have a much better chance of sticking in the minds of voters. Although I like Kerry much better than Bush (never thought I'd say I liked anything better than bush) Bush is doing a better job focussing his efforts.

It's actually "deferment". Kerry was inducted into the Navy in 1966 (not the reserves), and in 1968 he requested swift boat duty in Vietnam. The proof is right here. Don't believe everything Hannity says.

Kerry is a hero and a patriot. When he got back from Veitnam he, like most other vets, said that the war was being handled badly and that the troops were being treated like shit. He was disgusted and stood up for his fellow soldiers. He threw away his medals to make a statement. Medals don't give you dignity. They don't pay for health care. they don't help you find a job. Nam vets got screwed. It's true. Ask the guy with the cardboard sign on any street corner how he was treated when he got back from Nam. Bush was a drunk and a flake and a deserter from the Texas Air National Guard. 4 years ago, before the primaries, he called John McCain a traitor and questioned his military record after MCCain spent years being tortured in a Vietnamese Prison camp. He is embarrased by his own cowardice during Nam and he is lashing out to keep the spotlight off of his own sorry, priveleged, coddled monkey-looking Ass.

Thank you! Fuckin misinformation...*grumblegrumble*

good show spark wood!

I honestly don't think that big of a deal. Everyone changes in thirty years. Same thing with the war records for both him and President Bush. Water under the bridge for both of them. I'd be more interested in what they are going to do as opposed to what's already taken place.

the reason that guy with the cardboard sign is treated like shit is because people like kerry and fonda were saying that US Soldiers were committing war crimes killing kids torching villages and the like, that type of propaganda is why Service members were treated like crap when they got back...

sorry about the spelling never was any good at it...also the USNR stands for the United States Naval Reserves and that is what he was in according to that document.