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Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:33 PM

Microsoft’s endlessly creative legal department is constantly on the lookout for new completely obvious acts and items to patent. Once again they’ve managing to win a patent on something most of us use every day. Microsoft now owns the rights to using your keyboard to browse the web.



Patent 6,785,865 - "Discoverability and navigation of hyperlinks via tabs." From the abstract, "A user may discover and navigate among hyperlinks through the use of a keyboard. For example, a user may press a tab key to discover and navigate to a first hyperlink that is part of a hypertext document. The first hyperlink is, in response, given focus and a focus shape is drawn around the text or graphics for the hot region of the hyperlink. If the user again presses the tab key, the next hyperlink is given focus and a focus shape..."



I feel like Microsoft will soon own enough patents to trick me into giving them full ownership of my soul while I’m using one of their nifty little patents like utilizing my lungs to breathe Microsoft-patented air.

sidewalker123

sidewalker123

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:36 PM

bok

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:39 PM

aww you threw out my nifty copyrighted tab key! robot

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

SEP 06, 2004 02:45 PM

Hmm. I know you can do that in Mozilla too...I wonder who had that feature first.

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:45 PM

Snottlebocket said:
aww you threw out my nifty copyrighted tab key! robot



Are you refering to the picture? Because it's there.

Akrasia

Akrasia

Ireland
August 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:53 PM

if you've ever clicked "i agree" to one of those end user agreements you've already sold your soul.

Okuma

Okuma

Pensacola, FL
June 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:56 PM

Jesus....that's insane, and there's not much else to say there.

slayerboy

slayerboy

Spencerport, NY
July 2004

SEP 06, 2004 02:57 PM

I'm so glad I switched to Linux......Bill Gates was a genious, but his legal department is going way beyond the call of duty on this one. I'd rather sell my soul to SG before I sell it to MS!

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

SEP 06, 2004 03:05 PM

I always thought that was a feature of the windows OS not of the browser, how does one make a browser in windows and have it NOT support using the tab key to cycle thought clickable things? confused

I think all patents should be thrown out if its contents have been used by the public for more than three years without public notification of a patent being filed.

or something... whatever

Just fix it! mad

Deathhippie

Deathhippie

San Diego, CA
April 2003

SEP 06, 2004 04:16 PM

thats it. I am going to put out a patent on peoples ability to think.

apparently the patent people stamp approved on them with out reading them anyways, perhaps I will be able to start charging people to think every day.

Trucker_Fiction

Trucker_Fiction

Normal, IL
December 2003

SEP 06, 2004 04:30 PM

Microsoft =

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

SEP 06, 2004 04:34 PM

American patents are fucked up. Inventions should not be obvious and there should not be prior art in order to receive a patent. However, the American authorites seem to give patents out without testing there merit.

The text based web browser, lynx, uses the arrow keys for the same effect of moving to the first and then the next hyperlink. It is obvious that the same effect could be created by a different key.

I expect that lynx is older than the patent and that could make the Microsoft patent invalid.

CrackRockColin

CrackRockColin

Atlanta, GA
March 2004

SEP 06, 2004 04:42 PM

MetaTag said:
American patents are fucked up. Inventions should not be obvious and there should not be prior art in order to receive a patent. However, the American authorites seem to give patents out without testing there merit.

The text based web browser, lynx, uses the arrow keys for the same effect of moving to the first and then the next hyperlink. It is obvious that the same effect could be created by a different key.

I expect that lynx is older than the patent and that could make the Microsoft patent invalid.


shutup limey!!! uew ess eh!! uew ess eh!!!

nah, youre right, go figure

fucket

fucket

Chicago, IL
April 2003

SEP 06, 2004 05:24 PM

hm, i didn't know about it, but i just started hitting the tab key and firefox is doing exactly what it describes..

Zundapp1

Zundapp1

Seattle, WA
November 2003

SEP 06, 2004 06:53 PM

Quote from somewhere:

"Nonobviousness Requirement: If an invention is not exactly the same as prior products or processes (which are referred to as the "prior art"), then it is considered novel. However, in order for an invention to be patentable, it must not only be novel, but it must also be a nonobvious improvement over the prior art. This determination is made by deciding whether the invention sought to be patented would have been obvious "to one of ordinary skill in the art." In other words, the invention is compared to the prior art and a determination is made whether the differences in the new invention would have been obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the type of technology used in the invention."



That's the word on "obvious."

[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by lukie2p]

Hati

Hati

Los Angeles, CA
December 2003

SEP 06, 2004 10:21 PM

If Microsoft patents beating off to internet porn, we're all done for. Damn you Bill Gates.

kill9

kill9

Cleveland, OH
August 2004

SEP 06, 2004 10:51 PM

Interesting that if you read the last line they make sure it applies to any other application as well. This is worse than amazon's copyright of the one-click online purchase. Interesting that they refer to data processing. This is not at all novel. Take away the internet and a certain sunglasses hut company ( the ones in the mall ) was using sml and along with a data entry front end WAY before lynx even.

kill9

kill9

Cleveland, OH
August 2004

SEP 06, 2004 10:52 PM

Interesting that if you read the last line they make sure it applies to any other application as well. This is worse than amazon's copyright of the one-click online purchase. Interesting that they refer to data processing. This is not at all novel. Take away the internet and a certain sunglasses hut company ( the ones in the mall ) was using sml and along with a data entry front end WAY before lynx even.

kill9

kill9

Cleveland, OH
August 2004

SEP 06, 2004 10:52 PM

Interesting that if you read the last line they make sure it applies to any other application as well. This is worse than amazon's copyright of the one-click online purchase. Interesting that they refer to data processing. This is not at all novel. Take away the internet and a certain sunglasses hut company ( the ones in the mall ) was using sml and along with a data entry front end WAY before lynx even.

kill9

kill9

Cleveland, OH
August 2004

SEP 06, 2004 10:54 PM

Interesting that if you read the last line they make sure it applies to any other application as well. This is worse than amazon's copyright of the one-click online purchase. Interesting that they refer to data processing. This is not at all novel. Take away the internet and a certain sunglasses hut company ( the ones in the mall ) was using sml and along with a data entry front end WAY before lynx even.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

SEP 07, 2004 12:18 AM

wow a quadruple post, did your finger spasm or something? eeek

Infra

Infra

La Crosse, WI
November 2003

SEP 07, 2004 12:51 AM

The patent application seems to restrict this to being able to display focus indicators of varying shapes:

Focus is given to the hyperlink and a non-rectangular focus shape is drawn around the visual representation of the hyperlink to indicate that the hyperlink has focus. The focus shape may be, for example, a circle or a non-rectangular polygon.



I'm aware of rectangular focus indicators in early browsers, but does anyone have evidence for prior art using non-rectangular shapes? It would need to be previous to IE3 if I'm reading the document correctly.

The varying shapes seem to be key, specifically in connection with image maps:

In the most complex case, the hyperlink is contained within an image map. An image map is a construct that represents a set of hyperlinks. The image may appears as an image that is segmented into respective hot regions that are associated with respective hyperlinks. Thus, when the user positions the mouse cursor to point inside a given hot region that is part of an image map and clicks the mouse button, the resource identified by the URL for the associated hyperlink is accessed.

One of the difficulties with such hyperlinks is that they are often difficult to discover. Sometimes, the visual cues for delineating hyperlinks within a hypertext document are not very effective. This problem is especially acute with image maps where it is difficult to discern the boundaries of the respective hot regions. Typically, a user is able to identify the presence of hyperlinks by moving the mouse cursor throughout the body of the document and noticing when the mouse cursor changes form. In at least one conventional system, the mouse cursor changes from an arrow to a hand when the hot region of a hyperlink is encountered. One limitation of this approach is that a user must navigate the entire document in order to be certain that he has located each hyperlink within the document. In addition, a user may not know the extent of the hot region and which hyperlink is associated with a given portion of the screen. Furthermore, users who have difficulty using a mouse, such as handicapped users, cannot readily discern the location of the hot regions for the hyperlinks.



[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by Infra]

lv7six2

lv7six2

Raleigh, NC
June 2004

SEP 07, 2004 01:20 AM

wow, ms does it again... thanks apple biggrin