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CLINTON TELLS KERRY FROM HOSPITAL BED: STOP TALKING ABOUT VIETNAM

Bill Clinton spoke with John Kerry from his hospital bed on Saturday night in a 90-minute conversation in which he offered Kerry detailed advice on how to reinvigorate his candidacy... Clinton told Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam... Clinton aides who are expected to play an increasingly prominent role in Kerry campaign are James Carville, Paul Begala and Stanley Greenberg... Developing...



[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by stockula]

I suspect Kerry will continue to talk about Vietnam as long as his military record is being erroneously represented by the Showboat Veteran goonsquad.

by responding to a "goonsquad," he validates them. i agree with clinton's advice.

In other news, power went out briefly at the hospital in which Clinton was staying, just after Kerry was seen leaving the sub basement.

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yeah, seriously...I'd like to stop hearing about vietnam...chances are if that's all he can talk about then he needs to wake up and realize that people want more in a president than a veteran...sure, bush isn't a veteran, but he can entertain, I can't quite say the same for Kerry...

He's been trying to stop, but the curent administration keeps bringing it back.

yeah... kerry needs to bust out some tricks or something... look at clinton... he had what.. like an 80-something percent approval rating.. he played the sax... c'mon kerry.. bust out those technics 1200's and rip it up!

I don't want a president that can entertain, I want a president that can do the job right. Bush could juggle chainsaws while riding on the back of a rodeo clown for all I care, he still ain't getting my vote again.

I sooooooo wish bush would do that, since he has trouble riding anything without falling off

'cept daddys coat-tails...
*rimshot*
athankyou

Trouble is, the goonsquad comes off looking like a legitimate organization that isn't indirectly funded by the Bush campaign, rather than the Republican-backed media thugs that they are. From what I've read, polls are showing that undecided voters were being swayed (and perhaps still are) by the slanderous ads. Kerry's learned from Dukakis and other Dems who let themselves be wimpified: silence doesn't save your image.

And what exactly did George W.Bush do during Vietnam?

How many deferrments did Dick Cheney get during Vietnam?


George W.Bush appeals to men with small , tiny pee-pee's.

I distinctly recall Kerry saying in the'92 that Vietnam and military service with Clinton should not be an issue. I remember this specifically.

As far as the tiny dick thing, I'm debating whether or not to put a pic of mine up in the respective thread in the cockaholics group. Whether it's big or small is irrelevant. It's pierced a couple of times so size doesn't matter too much. If I do I'll let you know. K?

Give me a break. Kerry can't shut up about his service in Vietnam. When he gavea speech at the Humane Society, they asked him if there was a special animal that touched his life. He used the moment to make up a bullshit story about his swift boat's mascot dog, VC, being blown by a mine from one boat to another. Yeah right

I hate the fact that he centers his qualification to be president around a war that happened 35 years ago. Just because it was the defining moment for baby boomers doesn't mean it should be the central issue today in the 21st century. But Kerry, typical self-absorbed boomer he is, has to bring Vietnam front and center into American politics. Why? Because HE WAS THERE. And no other reason.

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This is a serious question: (I guess you support the other guy) What do you think Kerry should talk about to re-invigorate his campaign? What do you think his strong points are, where do you think Bush's weak points are?

Thanks.

I really feel it wasn't Kerry's fault for bringing up Vietnam. At the DNC his speech was meant to reach out to the voters who did not know who he was. Soon afterwards that Swift Boat Vets came about. They made it an issue. Neo-Conservatives alike started attacking Kerry until it was found out that most of it was bullshit. So I feel the Republican party made this more of an issue then the Democratic. They blasted Kerry for talking about Vietnam, instead of talking about his twenty year record in the Senate at the DNC. Even though Bush said nothing about his record in his speech at the RNC. There isn't a doubt in my mind this Vietnam talk has hurt Kerry in the polls, that is rather evident. He is slipping every battle ground state, including the one I live in. I am just not worried about it though. The debates are coming up at the end of the month and that'll all change. Bush is a horrible (master) debater (Sorry had to do it, I'm still stuck in 8th Grade.), plus his public speaking is shakey when it isn't on a teleprompter. I am happy that Clinton gave him his advice, hopefully things turn around soon.

Yeah, cause George Bush is so well qualified to be a president. Is it a minimum requirement to have at least 3 failed business enterprises in your CV these days?

c'mon, stock, you know exactly why kerry has done this. it was a pre-emptive political strike against the inevitable republican claims that they have a monopoly on national security, military expertise, etc. moreover, any president with military experience, let alone distinguished military service--remember dole and bush, sr.?--will trumpet it. it's part of the deal.

of course republicans like you can pretend to be "tired" of this discussion--even though republican attack dogs have talked of nothing else for weeks--since any honest assessment of kerry's qualifications to be commander-in-chief would make bush's look pretty weak by comparison. it's certainly amusing to see all the republicans viewing clinton as a political sage all of a sudden.

how, exactly, is kerry's military training and service as a highly decorated naval officer, with men directly under his command in a rather dirty "hearts and minds" war against determined insurgents and saboteurs, irrelevant to the job of, as bush puts it, "war president"? i must say i don't get that.

like failed oilman, baseball team owner, and largely powerless governor are better qualifications?

The most important issues facing the country: The war on terrorism, national security, and the economy.

His talking about the economy is about how horrible it is. Sorry John, 5.4% unemployment is not bad. This year was the fastest growth in the US economy in 20 years. But you can demagogue the hell out of economy issues, saying not everyone is making $70,000 and owns their own house. And some people will buy it, thinking if they vote for Candidate X , they will.

Kerry uses his service in Vietnam as a sort of token or ticket to say he'd be good at handling defense and fighting Islamic terror. Sorry, it's not. Democrats always do this. They think if they can find someone with a uniform or medals, it negates criticisms that they don't care about national security, or that they tend towards pacifism. What Kerry should do is talk in the present and future tense, NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED 35 YEARS AGO! Present a plan that doesn't center around getting back in the good graces of our best ally ever, France. Don't brag that unnamed foreign leaders support you. They're irrelevant. What's important is what's good for the United States. Get the backing of people who have devoted their lives to the interests of their own country, not the goddamn president of France.

Dont use rhetoric like "I'll hit back if we're ever attacked." IF? Bonjour, McFly, what happened on 9/11? We were hit, it's on, talk about how you're going to make the bastards pay.

I don't understand this war on terrorism stuff. It doesn't work. The war on drugs was a failure. The war on terrorism is doomed to failure; it'll generate more terrorists. It has made ore terrorists. The US has massive world-wide support after 9/11. Where has that support gone, and why? I believe the war against terror, the drive to war with or without Europe and international support, has caused many people to turn against the US.

I got the idea that the US is, economically, in some kind of trouble. If there's plenty of money floating around over there why do people die when they can't afford health care?

I can't answer this comment about 9/11, even if I'm only playing devil's advocate, because I fear the zot.

Stock how many Americans die by terrorism as opposed to poor healthcare? "Stocks" are doing much better but job creation isn't, it hasn't been this bad since Hoover. Or are the out of work middle class a bunch of "economic girlie-men." Kerry has been defending himself from the vietnam-vets for lies for a while...if he didn't talk about it people like you would be able to get away with this terrible smear campaign.

The Bush doctrine is a terrible foreign policy and if you actually listened to Kerry you'd realize that there is a better way to go about defending America. I agree that we should talk about the past FOUR years because thats' really what's important, And that's where Bush comes up short. Please tell me what Iraq had to do with 9/11?

From the 9/11 commission:

I noticed you've had the good taste to make fun of Clinton pulling through surgery...

I also think civil rights is very important to people...and a president that tries to put discrimination into the constitution is a sick concept.
Even Pat Buchannan says that Iraq & Bush are a terrible failure in his new book


[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]

I noticed you added the pic but ignored everything else...well done. I hope this inaction is a sign of things to come, then you can be just like dubya.
Doesn't this icon look like Dubya---

Ooooh...I'm gonna tell Al Gore you said that! He'll be *shocked and awed*

Well that's the thing. Kerry and the Democrats have a better way of fighting terrorism? Really? That's great! Let's hear it. Oh what's that? It's a secret? They'll let us know AFTER Kerry is elected? Their ideas are so good, they don't want Bush to steal them? OK, I believe you.

What about everything else I said...or do you like to pick and choose what you think should and shouldn't be real. After you respond I'll elaborate on your question...it's give and take sometimes.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are you trying to break the world fuckwitism speed record here stockula?

My money's on you to do it. You keep being able to take my breath away ...

I'll be laughing when Howard's re-elected.