does this bother anyone elese????

http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf

i saw that. IT was good and very unnerving and very conspiracy theorist oriented....

I saw this a few days ago, Mercie had posted a link in her journal.

My comment was:

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

it's very well done. i take everything i see with a pinch of salt these days.

Having worked at Boeing for 3 years and being around many aircraft I can see that the hole with the firefighters walking through is hardly the size of a 757 body, that hole was maybe 1/5 the size of a 757, 1/3 the size of a 737.
My area of work at Boeing was as a Jet propulsion mechanic. The engines on a aircraft the most durable structure on a aircraft. It's very unlikely that there would be no pieces of aluminium clad which makes up the outer skin of an aircraft left over, but there would definetly be large pieces of engine debry.

Who the fuck knows.

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The obvious question is: What happened to Flight 77, if it did not crash into the Pentagon? The passengers?

I'm actually not buying the smaller plane theory, but this is an interesting, somewhat related link:

Past U.S. Terror Plans

I saw it, and was going to post the same thread, except there already is one, where most people seem very adamant that it's inspired by some French nutjob's bogus theory.

There are a lot of VERY credible arguments, however. And as much as I hate to say so, the Snopes article dealing with this leaves a lot of those arguments untouched, plus the whole thing just seems a bit more canned than the average article.

Particularly interesting is their explanation for debris, which is, essentially, "Yes-huh!" with this picture:



Assuming 98% of the plane just evaporated on contact, I suppose this pic satisfies my eccentricity.

Thats the same thought I got out of the video.

WTF!

Were the parts of the plane found when the world trade center collapsed?

No? Yes? Maybe? Oh wait.. maybe planes didnt hit the WTC! WTF!

I want to find the person who made that conspiracy bullshit. And slit their fucking throat for even questioning the fact that no plane hit the Pentagon, and that innocent lives werent lost.
Many families can vouch for the attack... cause each one of them has a loved one dead. A

Ever hear a missle go off.. sounds just like a plane flying by, and like planes upon impact... they also go boom. Fucking dummases.

To the people who made that: (obviously they dont read the posts here)

-Yes the Plane was hijacked

-Yes it hit the Pentagon (there is security camera footage prooving that mind you.. that was never shown in this peice of shit.)

-No the plane did not warp to another dimmension and the passengers and crew, plus plane werent found.

-No the spaceship is not comming.


If you doubt. for one second that a plane did not hit the Pentagon... I feel pitty for you.

The amount of Jet fuel that ignited in the explosion at the WTC and the Pentagon was hot enough to incinerate the entire plane and melt steel.

By the way.. The whole window and copper wire bullshit... I can easily ask... Why not the sides of the whole or the other sides of the towers at the WTC?

It sounded like a plane. Which sounds an awful like a missle, due to exhaust and the doppler effect. That and Planes also go BOOM.

(mind you I had a cousin almost perish in the WTC. he was on the 32nd flloor of the second tower. he ran out as soon as he saw tower 1 get hit)

I hope.. I pray to god... Every person agrees... that the thought of questioning the facts and the attack is just plain sick.

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I really just don't have enough faith in our government to believe that they could engineer such a complex conspiracy.

Oh by the way..

Yes. Yes it does piss me off.

Im done. that is all i have to say.

And I suppose questioning the "facts" behind the assasination of JFK is just plain sick too?

If there is any evidence or possible evidence that speaks contrary to what I believe or what I've been told, I want to hear it. I don't care what the situation is, or how close I hold those beliefs. Things are always much more complex than they seem, and if there is any reason to believe that this situation is more than what it seems on the surface, I want to know. I want to understand. I don't buy this little video as fact, but it does make me curious, and I want to know more.

I agree whole heartedly, even though the current administration has had plenty of experience with covering things up. Just nothing of this magnitude.

That's probably the sole reason I've been on the fence with this whole thing since I started hearing about it a few months ago. When I care to care, as it were.

I didn't catch that. Thank you for clarifying.

Indeed.

What, the incinerated plane also evaporated?

I enjoy things like this film. It shows that someone is asking questions.

And why is it so hard to accept that a hijacked plane hit the Pentagon when we watched two hit the WTC in the same hour, on live tv?

Use Occam's Razor. What's the more likely explanation: this was another hijacked airliner like the ones used to attack the WTC and that crashed in PA, or the Pentagon ordered a missile be fired at itself?

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One has to assume that a highjacked airliner hit the Pentagon. The limited damage is curious though.

Conspiracy theories work on people's ignorance. I'm not saying it is bad that we are ignorant, but the fact is that none of us know anything about airplanes so when someone says "it should do this" we can all nod our heads and go "woah that makes sense, it SHOULD do that" and we have no idea what we are talking about.

It reminds me of the "we never landed on the moon" conspiracy theories. Certain arguments seem to have weight... "the moon has no air, how could the flag be waving" and then you read the real explanations for it... the astronauts wanted a picture of the American flag on the moon, which had no air, so they rigged it in a manner so it wasn't just hanging flat...

Makes sense when you think about it. How else would they get a picture of the flag?

Of course, that could be a lie, but so could anything really.

Yeah, stupid questions. The black boxes were
recovered from the site. Simulations have shown that the damage done was consistent with that from a 757. And if you'd like to read more, Snopes invites you to spend some time at their site.

Yeah I saw that show about 4 years ago...

1 thing about the flag. The flag was to seem like it was waving. why was it wagging back in forth? NASA stated that there was a malfunction with the pole.

Again. If you dont think we went to the moon.... I want you to get with the people who made the Pentagon video... and DRINK the Koolaid.

And dude. Arguments like that HAVE COMPLETELY NO WAIT whatsoever, due to the enormous facts backing them and THE COMPLETE IDIOCY of the Individual coming up with them.

All I know about the hijacking's:
1- Al-Queda did it on September 11 20021
2- Happened in NYC, PA, And at the Pentagon
3- 3000 + Innocent lives dead.
4- 4 planes, flew, crashed and exploded (like missiles) into certain objects killing all who are aboard.

Another thing. Ever see the pictures of the plane that crashed in PA...
I dont see any plane... MUST HAVE NEVER HAPPENED... I meen... NO PLANE IT MUST HAVE NO HAPPENED CAUSE blahdi fucking blah!







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liar

The funny thing is were are supposed to believe that our government created this elaborate hoax to attack the pentagon (with the terrorists? or taking advantage of the attacks?) and yet they can't seem to make a couple WMD's appear in Iraq.

Our government is somehow at times the most insane masterminds on the planet and at others a bunch of helpless buffoons.

The Pentagon was in the process of being reinforced against truck bombs (see the cable spools in the flash video? That section was under construction)

After the Khobar Tower attack in 1996, the Pentagon looked into how to reinforce defense buildings to resist and minimize damage from car bombs. The first building they chose to reinforce was - surprise - the Pentagon. By complete luck, the hijacked plane struck the first section of the Pentagon that had been reinforced.

There was a 60 Minutes piece devoted to this, as well as an article in a civil engineering magazine (my dad's a civil engineer, read it in this magazine he subscribes to).

You know what... How bout we all just abandon this thread. Do we need to justify anything? I think this is best left alone.

But whos with me in an ol fashion mod storming the people that made the movie? We march at sunset!