NEWS: US Charges Navy Seals In Iraq Prisoner Abuse Investigation

No, you keep bringing up "the larger" issues and everyone agrees torturing prisoners is bad for a multitude of reasons. That is not however the issue in this specific case and thread.

Tell that to your cheerleader.
ps: Larger issues got us to this point.

I'm with the second post. I'm a sailor, but I'm assigned to Marines.

Oh I know, Im not asking for a "pity me"...

Im glad I went and I learned from every experience. I just dont like people critisizing when they weren't there and have a media drawn visualization of it.

Unless you were physically in Iraq its a totally different experience the what the TV shows.

And I keep trying to show that because I along with other marines were scared to death over there, but we adapted and overcame. And most of us came back, but for someone who never has signed the contract and actually been there, what makes them think they can disrespectfully comment on something that doent involve them.

Again I say, and Im not BSing.

ANY lose of life in any portion of the world IS a TRAGEDY. It sucks that this guy is dead, but you have to consider the big picture when it comes to wars.

Confusious Say, "War not determine who right, War only determine who left."

Excuse me but WTF does that have to do with anything...I'm young and I haven't served in the military but that doesn't make my side less relevant. If a vet said the same thing to you, would it be different... because not all vets would agree with your simple-minded view of the world. I see you weren't able to handle the things you've seen...maybe you should get some help. I guess the fact that my friends went to Iraq doesn't mean anything to you. It did to me.

All that I can say for sure is that based off your statements you are a reactionary threat to democracy. You still haven't addressed any of the issues I've brought up with reasonable discourse. I'm getting the feeling that you've been drinking.

Listen NOTHING makes murder or torture acceptable...if we give up our integrity then "the terrorists have won."


[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]

I too agree with that, especially with respect to this case but it seems that many comments here especially from this guy are screw them all we don't need rules...I don't think that's a step in the right direction.
I can't spell tonight...

[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]

Honestly Raoul, the human in me agrees with you. But I cannot just roll over and object to everything. The marine that experienced what I did says whatever happens to them happens.

We all feel how we feel, no-one is going to change our minds and beliefs.

War is not living, war is hell, and you do things no human should have to do. But you have to live with it and just accept it for what it was. I do. And Im not trying to change your mind. all Im trying to do is get you to understand that, its totally didfferent over there and a newspaper article or a tv report is not going to help you understand what going on.

What are your issues. Ive stated that it sucks that the guys did die, nnut it happenned and we have to just get one with living.

Nothing you or I can say will stop the continuous slaughter of American or iraqi or any other country involved in this. Look at the latest SG news article.

Nothing, I mean nothing we do sitting here on our plush chairs and agruing our points with each other over and over is going to stop the articles, and deaths of human lives.

Nothing

I wish we could ALL obide by the rules. But it wont happen.

And I personnally am not the reason for them NOT happenning Raoul. I only am trying to explain my P.O.V. for why they arnt happening.

I do respect you for your beleifs , honestlly I do. And Im glad there ARE people like you expressing your veiws.

I have no beef with you. I am mearlly extreme conversating, and feel I have said what I wanted to say.

[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 5:05PM]

I agree that what happens over there in the heat of the moment is impossible to calculate. Honestly if there is a firefight between our troops and an angry mob I'd like to hope that our troops do what it takes to stay safe.

I also think that the idea of post-battle torture/humiliation during imprisonment is a horrible precedent. We have to create a humanitarian policy of reasonable judgment. My first post in this thread got me into the "larger" issues of chain of command failures...which lead all the way to the top. We'll leave the foreign policy failure for another thread. I've been reading the 9/11 commission and I've seen some serious concerns about the long-term effects of a "fuck em' all" kind of policy. I think your saftey and our troops saftey should be #1 but that's not a justification for this.

As you said and I agree ther is no justification for the lose of human life. Only excuses for the lives that have parished.

But, I think anyone over there is responsible for their OWN actions. Though the leaders brought them there and said shoot that person, they ultimatelly pulled the trigger.

The leaders should be held accountable for high issues like why we are there in the first place.

I think you and I agree but just from different sides of the stage.

[Edited on Sep 06, 2004 5:13PM]