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SEP 02, 2004 03:53 PM
adny said:
Zell Miller is a washed out old right-wing hack. A good ol' southern boy in every sense of the word. He's based his political career on being a party turncoat so that he can distinguish himself from the crowd.
He calls himself a Democrat, but always votes against the party line. It gets him attention. How else could such a loser get a prime time speaking engagement at a national convention.
If you think Zell Miller sucks, then check out his opponent in the upcoming election Denise Majette. She rocks. Send her a couple of bucks to kick his narrow ass back out on the street. 
Miller is retiring. Majette is running against Johnny Isakson. Her website is: www.majetteforsenate.org
SEP 02, 2004 05:42 PM
SEP 02, 2004 05:45 PM
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
You really hate us yanks, don't ya? 
SEP 02, 2004 05:46 PM
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
Since when did calculated manipulation of facts become patriotic? 
...a little less than 4 years ago? 
SEP 02, 2004 05:50 PM
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
Dude, I know you are just trying to piss people off...you've done it. "What a guy..." who talks like that in 2004? It's a little insulting to say that if you disagree with the Bush doctrine in any way you're un-patriotic and a traitor. Especially considering you're not even a yank... 
Anyway, you just found out who Zell and Dole are yesterday, so don't pretend like you can honestly form an opinion about either of them. If you bothered to read any of the reply's you'd see there are many different views about Zell and the Republicans in America-which is still the greatest country on Earth...why don't you immigrate? I realize you get-off on pissing-off those who feel different than you but maybe you could be a little less blatant. Think about it.
SEP 02, 2004 05:53 PM
SEP 02, 2004 06:05 PM
Michael_DeSade
Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL
SEP 02, 2004 06:10 PM
reprobate said:
Sadistic_Bastard said:
Zell Miller saw the attacks on 9/11 as an act of war, and equates it to Pearl Harbor in 1941. Unfortunately, most of his party does not. You can try to discredit him all you want, but as a politician he seems to keep winning elections as a Democrat.
If a Republican Senator had denounced Bush at the DNC in Boston, the lib-bots would still be singing their praises. Zell Miller made it ok for democrats to vote for Bush with a clear conscience, based on national security issues being the most important issue of this campaign.
And your evidence of this is? Miller is a DINO. Always has been. He saw which way the wind was blowing in '64 and stuck with the Democrats when the rest of his ilk fled. More importantly, he's a freshman Senator who got in on a special appointment and is retiring in January after a whopping four years of completely undistinguished service in the Senate. He is window dressing, plain and simple.
Window dressing? That's funny, rebate, because no one was calling him "window dressing" 12 years ago. In fact, they made him the keynote speaker at the '92 DNC where he delivered lines like:
Bill Clinton is a Democrat who has the courage to tell some
of those liberals who think welfare should continue forever,
and some of those conservatives who think there should be no
welfare at all, that they're both wrong. He's a Democrat who will move people off the welfare rolls and onto the job rolls. Bill Clinton is a Democrat who has the courage to lead a real war on crime here at home. And around the world he will be the kind of commander-in-chief this old Marine sergeant would be proud to
follow. That either one of us was able, one growing up in an Appalachian valley and the other in rural Arkansas, to eventually become governors of our states is a tribute to the American dream and yes, the Democratic Party that makes it a
reality.
Yeah, that's a DINO right there, rebate. As for his length of service in the Senate.....how long did John Edwards serve before he ran for President?
Zell Miller hurts the Kerry campaign because he's a Democratic Senator calling another Democratic Senator out on his record, shooting a hole the size of Texas into Kerry's effort to portray himself as able to lead this country in a time of war. The Dems have tried to claim that they will be tough in the WOT and Miller called bullshit, using Kerry's own record as proof.
I know it hurts, but quit pretending it wasn't damaging.
SEP 02, 2004 06:14 PM
Hey Sadistic_Bastard did you see what Zell said just a few years ago about John Kerry. It's only a few posts up...
Would you call that a flip-flop?
SEP 02, 2004 06:32 PM
Raoul_Duke said:
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
Dude, I know you are just trying to piss people off...you've done it.
give the man a prize!
Actually, that's only a quarter true. I did like Miller's speech and I do think it was brave of him to speak out.......but it has been fun watching the collective apoplexy about this.
I've seen almost as much lib-rage against this one guy than about W himself. I guess it's the perceived traitor factor.
SEP 02, 2004 06:34 PM
plasticfangs said:
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
You really hate us yanks, don't ya?
Actually no - with a very few exceptions, I really like Americans and America. Yeah - I know - a rarity in Europe.
SEP 02, 2004 06:42 PM
Raoul_Duke said:
It's a little insulting to say that if you disagree with the Bush doctrine in any way you're un-patriotic and a traitor.
I think it was patriotic for him to express his honest feelings for (what he sees as) the sake of the country. That's not to say that anyone who disagrees with Bush is "unpatriotic".
Anyway, you just found out who Zell and Dole are yesterday
Zell was new to me, and I was merely commenting on his speech and the fact that it must have been brave for a Dem to back Bush. Koch also did it, but that doesn't seem to have pissed you guys off as much. I wonder why...
And of course I've known about Dole for quite a few years.
I realize you get-off on pissing-off those who feel different than you but maybe you could be a little less blatant.
I wouldn't say I "get off on it", but it is rather gripping in a grotesque kind of way. I'm not actually doing that much to provoke this. The anger is naturally coming from you guys.
I'll leave it here now, before it all starts getting personal.
SEP 02, 2004 06:48 PM
UpTight said:
Raoul_Duke said:
It's a little insulting to say that if you disagree with the Bush doctrine in any way you're un-patriotic and a traitor.
I think it was patriotic for him to express his honest feelings for (what he sees as) the sake of the country. That's not to say that anyone who disagrees with Bush is "unpatriotic".
Anyway, you just found out who Zell and Dole are yesterday
Zell was new to me, and I was merely commenting on his speech and the fact that it must have been brave for a Dem to back Bush. Koch also did it, but that doesn't seem to have pissed you guys off as much. I wonder why...
And of course I've known about Dole for quite a few years.
I realize you get-off on pissing-off those who feel different than you but maybe you could be a little less blatant.
I wouldn't say I "get off on it", but it is rather gripping in a grotesque kind of way. I'm not actually doing that much to provoke this. The anger is naturally coming from you guys.
I'll leave it here now, before it all starts getting personal.
Believe it or not, I appreciate your comments, who else could make us look so good. I wasn't just talking about Zell in the first comment, I was talking about you as well. Anyway, since Zell is new to you, maybe you should think more about the responses you've gotten. I would say that questioning any American's patriotism is very insulting and I wonder why you are surprised you've gotten angry responses?
edit:It's looks better. 
[Edited on Sep 02, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]
SEP 02, 2004 06:59 PM
Sadistic_Bastard said:
reprobate said:
Sadistic_Bastard said:
Zell Miller saw the attacks on 9/11 as an act of war, and equates it to Pearl Harbor in 1941. Unfortunately, most of his party does not. You can try to discredit him all you want, but as a politician he seems to keep winning elections as a Democrat.
If a Republican Senator had denounced Bush at the DNC in Boston, the lib-bots would still be singing their praises. Zell Miller made it ok for democrats to vote for Bush with a clear conscience, based on national security issues being the most important issue of this campaign.
And your evidence of this is? Miller is a DINO. Always has been. He saw which way the wind was blowing in '64 and stuck with the Democrats when the rest of his ilk fled. More importantly, he's a freshman Senator who got in on a special appointment and is retiring in January after a whopping four years of completely undistinguished service in the Senate. He is window dressing, plain and simple.
Window dressing? That's funny, rebate, because no one was calling him "window dressing" 12 years ago. In fact, they made him the keynote speaker at the '92 DNC where he delivered lines like:
Uh huh. And he has opportunistically reversed all of the positions that got him that slot since then. Sorry, but a lame duck blowhard with no record who says whatever helps him best to be heard saying it is, in fact window dressing.
Yeah, that's a DINO right , rebate.
Funny you didn't quote what he's saying now:
"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into two camps: the wimps and the warriors. "
"Terry McAwful."
"streetwalkers in skimpy halters and hot pants plying their age-old trade for the fat wallets on K' Street." (of the Democratic candidates)
"Hollywood weenies like Martin Sheen and Sean Penn
are lower than a snake's belly, hypocrites at best, all gurgle and no guts."
"brought to us courtesy of
the pagan temple of Viacom-Babylon."
"soft-belly peaceniks."
Or his past remarks:
"a Southerner who has sold his birthright for a mess of dark porridge," (of Lyndon Johnson)
Or his voting record:
Pro life
Pro Flag burning amendment
Pro Gay marriage amdenment
Pro police state (two strikes, youthful offenders)
Pro tax cuts for the rich
Anti tax cuts for the middle class (marriage penalty, tuition deductibility)
Anti welfare
Pro faith based initiatives
Pro Prayer in schools
Pro abstinence programs
Pro PBA ban
Anti treatment models
Anti immigration
Anti gun control
Now, tell me with a straight face he's not a DINO.
As for his length of service in the Senate.....how long did John Edwards serve before he ran for President?
Because of course thats exactly the same thing. You do understand that people run for president knowing they cant win to get a national platform, right?
Zell Miller hurts the Kerry campaign because he's a Democratic Senator calling another Democratic Senator out on his record, shooting a hole the size of Texas into Kerry's effort to portray himself as able to lead this country in a time of war. The Dems have tried to claim that they will be tough in the WOT and Miller called bullshit, using Kerry's own record as proof.
And how is that exactly? He fucking lied, man, and when he got called on it, he challenged a TV anchor to a duel. He excoriated Kerry for supporting Dick Cheney's proposals in massive omnibus spending bills, and for using the same exact language as Bush. To quote the Senator once again "[That] is not just unpatriotic; it is stupid, and it is criminal."
I know it hurts, but quit pretending it wasn't damaging.
And you've still not offered a single piece of objective, or for that matter subjective evidence to that effect. Even Fox is wondering aloud whether his going off the rails is going to hurt Bush.
SEP 02, 2004 08:14 PM
Wow, it was another thing to See the Miller attack on Chris Matthews. I missed it last night but DAMN. That man is officially nuts...he challenged him to a fucking duel!!!
He screamed about how John Kerry used the words "occupation in Iraq" when President Bush used the same words. 
Jon Stewart said it best ..."That speech appealed to the worst in people's nature." 
SEP 02, 2004 09:57 PM
SEP 03, 2004 12:19 AM
Raoul_Duke said:
Jon Stewart said it best ..."That speech appealed to the worst in people's nature."
ZELL ON EARTH!!!
SEP 03, 2004 01:23 PM
UpTight said:
plasticfangs said:
UpTight said:
this is so funny - you are getting angrier and angrier
I think Miller's speech is a fine example of true patriotism. Putting the interests of one's country ahead of everything else. As I said in the title, "What a Guy"
You really hate us yanks, don't ya?
Actually no - with a very few exceptions, I really like Americans and America. Yeah - I know - a rarity in Europe.
Well, if ya like us, stop wishing the nutjobs on us!!!
(But yeah, I was just kidding about the hating us thing...and your observation on the rest of Europe sounds accurate to me...)
adny
Barbados
July 2004
SEP 02, 2004 03:48 PM