Will Texas Leave the Union AGAIN????

There is a movement afoot in Texas to remove Texas from the Union with the United States and revert to a Republic of Texas as it was before it entered the Union. Unknown to the general public there is a legal basis and mechanism for doing this. Since Texas joined the union by treaty as a sovereign nation it reserved the right to leave the Union at a future date if a certain number of states would consent to that. It seems unlikely that this will happen but anyone have thoughts on this?

For the love of all that's holy, we can only hope.

So they'll be reverting to their pre-union status, and ceding control of all governmental functions to Mexico?

Is there a petition I can sign in to help this along?

If Dubya wants to turn Texas into a banana republic, that's fine with me. Just don't take the other 49 states along with it.

Is this like the movement for California to split into two parts? I couldn't find any serious links in a quick Googling...

Sounds a little off to me. But I'd wave goodbye happily to them.

No, they didn't go from Mexican control directly to being a state in the union. They existed as a sovereign nation for a number of years between winning independence from Mexico and gaining admission into the Union.

YOU CAN ALLL FUCK OFF!!!

Texas is better than everywhere else
remember the Alamo

Yep, my mistake, looks like it was about 6 years from 1836 to 1842 that Texas was independent.

Would that mean that Bush cannot be president since he would be from a foreign nation?

I'd actually like to keep Texas but, I'm trying to get the secessionist movement in the deep south going again. It's time to cut away that cancer.

Here is part of the reason why: Tax Foundation You'll notice that those rugged individualists in the big square states and the 'drown government in a bathtub' acolytes of Grover in the south are huge net consumers of federal tax dollars. On the other hand, "big liberal moneywaster" states like New York, New Jersey and California are big big big net payers of federal taxes. Slice off that backwoods, 3rd world tumor known as "Republican Country" and it would probably reduce my taxes 10-15%

[Edited on Aug 04, 2004 by 68stretch]

I've been in support of california seceding for a long time. I'd love to see california able to govern itself as it desires, without any interference.

jesus christ! i would border another country. it's not like i don't now, but then it would be official!

please god, let this be true!!!!!

why is OK so windy? because TX sucks and KS blows.

you live in PA. what are you talking about?

I was downtown earlier this year during the premier of The Alamo (the feature film). Concurrently, there was a protest for some kind of labor group. People were holding these huge signs that said 'Forget the Alamo!'

Never have I been more proud to be an American.

I'm really not sure how much clearer of a statement I could make. What part are you confused about?

why do you care how california governs itself? you live across the country? is it affecting you?

now what would be the point in forgetting the Alamo?not just texas history but that is a battle all americans should know by heart and remember appreciativly when enjoying our freedom... oh i get it. it was more than 100 years ago so it doesnt matter now. you are retarded.


on a different note. what is it with this anti Texas rhetoric i keep running across? ive been all over this great country and texas is one of the better places to be.

texas is all beer drive thrus and strip clubs not that theres anything wrong with drive thurs and strip clubs... oh yeah and dead armadillos lotsa those

Despite your opinions on the state, Texas (or California, or the South..) leaving the union would be a serious blow and we'd go to another civil war over it.

It's amazing to me how anyone can transpose hatred of Bush to the citizens of his home state; this both hypocritical and pretty unfair to the citizens of that state who have done not a single thing wrong.

People who talk about enjoying cultural diversity should not pick and choose which cultures they like to see around in this country; people who call for further acceptance of middle eastern cultures in America should not reject Texas because they don't like some elements of the culture there, either.



Also: people saying things like 'forget the Alamo' were being childish, and you should be ashamed to have thought anything other than that about them. Why does it make you proud?

Yeah, let's face it, it's fun to joke and stereotype Texans, but I've driven all the way across the state (it's a long way from Amarillo to Dallas to Austin to Houston) and was amazed at how nice and friendly the vast majority of people I met there were. I'm sure there are a bunch of loudmouthed idiots there who tend to drown out the quieter, cooler folk (since that seems to be the case everywhere) but that doesn't mean they constitute the majority.

As for the economic implications, according to that link that 68stretch posted, Texas seems to generate more income than it receives in tax dollars, meaning it would hurt the union economically as well were Texas to secede.

I am against any splitting up of the USA. However Texas does keep itself isolated from the National power grid, this was one of the reasons given by a Libertarian person on a irc political channel saying Texas could be self sufficient. There are claims by Texas on water rights extending up as far as Colorado I understand. Recently this was in court and I believe the court affirmed the rights and some compromise was struck. I think it had to do with the fact that the Mexican state of Texas once extended further north than the modern borders.


The only real serious effort of seccession I have heard of is the periodic push to split California up to North and Southern California because of the Liberal poltics of the north being dominated by the Conservative southern Californian in the state legislature.

According to this website:

http://tafkac.org/politics/texas_secession_rights.html

One privelege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.

However as I stated before Texas still claims some water rights in that area.
Here is a map of the "disputed territory" re: water rights



Re: The map:
One of the primary motivations for annexation was that the Texas government had incurred huge debts which the United States agreed to assume upon annexation. In 1850, in return for this assumption of debt, a large portion of Texas-claimed territory, now parts of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wyoming, was ceded to the Federal government.



Re: the Annexation treaty:

Second, Texas did not have to surrender its public lands to the federal government. While Texas did cede all territory outside of its current area to the federal government in 1850, it did not cede any public lands within its current boundaries. This means that generally, the only lands owned by the federal government within Texas have actually been purchased by the government, and is also signficant with respect to offshore oil leases.




Will Durst's take on Texas Secession

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/5609/

Ill have to get back to you on the information I first had, so far all I can find are crazy militia groups wanting Texas secession.

Some links on the R. O. T. Republic of Texas Militia

http://www.mhrn.org/news/0597texas.html

http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1997-05-08/feature2.html

[Edited on Aug 04, 2004 by WilliamIV]

I didn't realize that I was limited to caring or being interested in things that only directly affect my life.

i am thinking that is all you will find wanting secession (crazy militia groups radicals kkk christian whako orginizations) the rest of us intelligent folk down here realize that being an american state is good for both Texas and America. and we are DAMN PROUD to be both!!!