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punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:00 PM

Weapons more often attributed to science-fiction novels, but no longer limited to them, will be making a slow debut over the next several years. While most of them are still in concept or development phase - such as a muscle-freezing laser gun - several companies under military contracts have plans to test-run weapons such as the Active Denial System - a joint effort between Air Force research laboratories and Raytheon, a defense systems contractor - in military deployment situations by 2005.

[The Active Denial System] repels adversaries by heating the water molecules in their skin with microwave energy. The pain is so great that people flee immediately.

"It just feels like your skin is on fire," said Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the laboratory who, as a test subject, has felt the Active Denial System's heat. "When you get out of the path of the beam, or shut off the beam, everything goes back to normal. There's no residual pain."


Looking not far off into the future, two companies are developing directed-energy rifles for the Marines. One company, Xtreme Alternative Defense Systems, will send electrical charges through a stream of plasma. Another, HSV Technologies, plans to use an ultra-violet laser beam in place of ionized gas.

Both weapons would produce a similar effect, and would work on electronics as well as human beings.

…[these weapons could be] tuned to target the electronics of a vehicle or explosive device, or tuned to temporarily paralyze voluntary muscles, such as those that control arms and legs…


Some are concerned about the potential abuse of such weaponry, such as using the weapons for non-lethal torture devices. Others “believe the use of directed energy will be limited by international law and treaties.”

Defending the research, military officials have said that strict rules will govern the use of such weapons.

"You can rest assured that with this system, when it finally is deployed, we will be very, very clear about what the intended uses are and what is clearly outside of bounds," said Marine Corps Capt. Daniel McSweeney, spokesman for the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate. "It's not intended to be used as a torture device. That goes against all the design intentions and parameters."


Another concern is possible medical side-effects as a result of using such weapons. Dominique Loye of the International Committee of the Red Cross , for example, has been pushing the government to release test data on voluntary subjects hit by the ADS.

Directed energy may cause "new types of injuries we're not aware of and may not be capable of taking care of," Loye said. "The message we try to put across is: 'We understand some companies are investing money, so maybe it will be worthwhile for you to start the investigation as early as possible and not to invest millions and millions, and then 10 years down the line find out your weapon will be illegal.'"


Whatever happens…lasers and stun rays? Cool factor ten.

jams

jams

Canada
July 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:02 PM

punk said:
Weapons more often attributed to science-fiction novels, but no longer limited to them, will be making a slow debut over the next several years. While most of them are still in concept or development phase - such as a muscle-freezing laser gun - several companies under military contracts have plans to test-run weapons such as the Active Denial System - a joint effort between Air Force research laboratories and Raytheon, a defense systems contractor - in military deployment situations by 2005.

[The Active Denial System] repels adversaries by heating the water molecules in their skin with microwave energy. The pain is so great that people flee immediately.

"It just feels like your skin is on fire," said Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the laboratory who, as a test subject, has felt the Active Denial System's heat. "When you get out of the path of the beam, or shut off the beam, everything goes back to normal. There's no residual pain."


Looking not far off into the future, two companies are developing directed-energy rifles for the Marines. One company, Xtreme Alternative Defense Systems, will send electrical charges through a stream of plasma. Another, HSV Technologies, plans to use an ultra-violet laser beam in place of ionized gas.

Both weapons would produce a similar effect, and would work on electronics as well as human beings.

…[these weapons could be] tuned to target the electronics of a vehicle or explosive device, or tuned to temporarily paralyze voluntary muscles, such as those that control arms and legs…


Some are concerned about the potential abuse of such weaponry, such as using the weapons for non-lethal torture devices. Others “believe the use of directed energy will be limited by international law and treaties.”

Defending the research, military officials have said that strict rules will govern the use of such weapons.

"You can rest assured that with this system, when it finally is deployed, we will be very, very clear about what the intended uses are and what is clearly outside of bounds," said Marine Corps Capt. Daniel McSweeney, spokesman for the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate. "It's not intended to be used as a torture device. That goes against all the design intentions and parameters."


Another concern is possible medical side-effects as a result of using such weapons. Dominique Loye of the International Committee of the Red Cross , for example, has been pushing the government to release test data on voluntary subjects hit by the ADS.

Directed energy may cause "new types of injuries we're not aware of and may not be capable of taking care of," Loye said. "The message we try to put across is: 'We understand some companies are investing money, so maybe it will be worthwhile for you to start the investigation as early as possible and not to invest millions and millions, and then 10 years down the line find out your weapon will be illegal.'"


Whatever happens…lasers and stun rays? Cool factor ten.



I think that may even exceed cool factor ten, and go right into hypercool.

Trevallion

Trevallion

Murfreesboro, TN
February 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:03 PM

So much awesome....

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

AUG 03, 2004 10:04 PM

I'm starting the NADSA. You'll pry my boil gun from my cold, dead hands.

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:05 PM

Fallout, best PC RPG ever... surreal

radiofrank

radiofrank

Mississauga, ON
November 2002

AUG 03, 2004 10:07 PM

Very interesting stuff. It certainly merits a cool factor ten.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

AUG 03, 2004 10:10 PM

Flux said:
I'm starting the NADSA. You'll pry my boil gun from my cold, dead hands.



Dueling bowel disrupters in the town square at noon. I'm nearly shitting myself in anticipation. ARRR!!! ARRR!!!

Poser

Poser

Tampa, FL
May 2003

AUG 03, 2004 10:10 PM

Sounds interesting..there could be some wonderful spin-off industry inventions from these weapons. But yea, we need to look at the long terms effects phsycologically and physcially and not just developed these arms through zapping chickens.

pavlovsdog

pavlovsdog

Asheville, NC
May 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:16 PM

I can't wait for my Lightsaber™.

jams

jams

Canada
July 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:16 PM

Raoul_Duke said:
Fallout, best PC RPG ever... surreal



Was that the one like Wasteland, with the top view and the menus and the psycho clowns?

I LOVED that game.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:17 PM

This could be the answer to the movie theatre problem mentioned in another thread.

radiofrank

radiofrank

Mississauga, ON
November 2002

AUG 03, 2004 10:26 PM

AceTracer said:
This could be the answer to the movie theatre problem mentioned in another thread.



It certainly would be the answer, come to think of it. Where do we get to sign up for these things?

DeceptiviewFilm

DeceptiviewFilm

Parlin, NJ
February 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:32 PM

You know... ONCE THE FUSION Cannon Happens....My plans for World Domination will be complete.... *laughs maniacally like MEGATRON*

mister_x

mister_x

Plano, TX
January 2003

AUG 03, 2004 10:32 PM

jams said:

Raoul_Duke said:
Fallout, best PC RPG ever... surreal



Was that the one like Wasteland, with the top view and the menus and the psycho clowns?

I LOVED that game.



i think it was either based on or heavily influenced by it. i just can't wait to kick the sand dunes in my electric motorcycle and junk spear.

will the post-apocalypse just hurry up already?

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:32 PM

radiofrank said:

AceTracer said:
This could be the answer to the movie theatre problem mentioned in another thread.



It certainly would be the answer, come to think of it. Where do we get to sign up for these things?



"Shut the fuck up, stupid kid!"

*zot*

Kid: "Gnya-gnya-gnya-gurble...." *thump*

NimChimpsky

NimChimpsky

Oakland, CA
March 2004

AUG 03, 2004 10:51 PM

creepy as f@ck. surreal

but cool too, yes.

AkiraLi

AkiraLi

Norristown, PA
March 2003

AUG 03, 2004 11:02 PM

DeceptiviewFilm said:
You know... ONCE THE FUSION Cannon Happens....My plans for World Domination will be complete.... *laughs maniacally like MEGATRON*



yeah but you'll still need a snarky fighter plane to aim and fire you once you transform wink

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

AUG 03, 2004 11:09 PM

what i want to know is, who beta tests this stuff?

"okay larry, just stand still and tell me if the water molecules in your skin cells feel like they're boiling."

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

AUG 03, 2004 11:10 PM

s5 said:
what i want to know is, who beta tests this stuff?

"okay larry, just stand still and tell me if the water molecules in your skin cells feel like they're boiling."



no. i only feel a mild discomfort.

jams

jams

Canada
July 2004

AUG 03, 2004 11:12 PM

rottenart said:

s5 said:
what i want to know is, who beta tests this stuff?

"okay larry, just stand still and tell me if the water molecules in your skin cells feel like they're boiling."



no. i only feel a mild discomfort.



Damnit, it was set for muffin. We'll try a stronger setting, baked potato.

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

AUG 03, 2004 11:22 PM

Another victory for the Military-Industrial Complex!

*Invites hippies to suck it*



*Hippies don't seem to go for it, return to hacky sack*

[Edited on Aug 03, 2004 by Extreme_Akim]

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

AUG 03, 2004 11:26 PM

s5 said:
what i want to know is, who beta tests this stuff?

"okay larry, just stand still and tell me if the water molecules in your skin cells feel like they're boiling."


Reality TV and/or Japanese game shows.

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

AUG 03, 2004 11:28 PM

dude, DO NOT let japanese game shows get a hold of one of these.

wait, on second thought...do.

Kengineer

kengineer

Portland, OR
September 2002

AUG 03, 2004 11:28 PM

Sadly, I expect the ADS (microwaves that make your skin feel like it is on fire) will be used for torture maybe twenty minutes after the first batch gets deployed. Mostly by non-Americans who get hold of black-market weapons, but in due time by US forces. It's not an indictment of the USA, it's just the way technology and human nature works.

They missed a few others. The Airborn Laser Theatre Defense is approaching deployment. Big chemical laser in a 747 with an optical turret mounted in the nose. If it works as designed it can knock down scuds over a region maybe fifty or a hundred miles across. And aircraft. And ground targets. Basically, anything that gets within range on a clear day is toast.

And the Navy is looking to develop railguns for ship defense. Electric powered, with a muzzle velocity of Mach 6. I think the primary mission is short-range anti-aicraft, but I wouldn't put it past them to figure out how to launch shells at ground targets as well.

The future is so bright . . .

wolfwood

wolfwood

Madison, WI
March 2003

AUG 03, 2004 11:38 PM

So not cool. They're obviously going to be used for torture and other really bad purposes. And then ten years later we'll find out they cause cancer. frown

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