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Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

AUG 02, 2004 01:14 AM

From Daily Kos.

John Edwards, Trial Lawyers, and McDonald's Coffee
by DHinMI
Sun Aug 1st, 2004 at 14:13:45 GMT

With former trial lawyer John Edwards now officially the Democratic nominee for Vice President, expect the wingers to officially link the Democratic ticket to those "outrageous" frivolous lawsuits. We've all heard about so-called frivolous lawsuits, of which the most "infamous" is the case of the woman who sued McDonald's because its coffee was too hot.

Thanks to paragons of "objective" reporting like John Stossel, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit supposedly exemplifies everything that's wrong with American civil justice. A woman stupidly spills a little coffee, the story goes, and instead of daubing the coffee off her clothes and getting on with life, she gets a couple million dollars by suing McDonald's.

If it hadn't been so widely reported back in the early 1990's, it would be easy to assume the McDonald's coffee case was an urban myth. The fact that McDonald's lost a lawsuit filed by a woman who spilled coffee on herself is in fact true. But just about everything else you've probably heard is wrong or grossly incomplete, and you can bet that whatever comes out of the right wing noise machine will perpetuate the falsehoods about the case.

First of all, it's important to attach a name to the case. Stella Liebeck was an 81 year old retired retail clerk who spilled coffee while at the drive-through window of an McDonald's in Albuquerque, NM. If you still think that's not much of a reason to bring a suit against McDonalds, you're not alone; according to 1994 article from the Wall Street Journal, the members of the jury felt the same way:

At the beginning of the trial, jury foreman Jerry Goens says he "wasn't convinced as to why I needed to be there to settle a coffee spill."

At that point, Mr. Goens and the other jurors knew only the basic facts: that two years earlier, Stella Liebeck had bought a 49-cent cup of coffee at the drive-in window of an Albuquerque McDonald's, and while removing the lid to add cream and sugar had spilled it, causing third-degree burns of the groin, inner thighs and buttocks. Her suit, filed in state court in Albuquerque, claimed the coffee was "defective" because it was so hot.

What the jury didn't realize initially was the severity of her burns. Told during the trial of Mrs. Liebeck's seven days in the hospital and her skin grafts, and shown gruesome photographs, jurors began taking the matter more seriously.

Over the previous decade McDonald's had received over 700 complaints about its coffee scalding people, including babies. They had settled all lawsuits out of court, with some payments as high as $500,000. But McDonald's continued to serve its coffee 20 degrees hotter than any other major restaurant chain.

Stella Liebeck hadn't originally planned on going to a jury trial. She had asked for compensatory damages to pay for her skin grafts, but McDonald's offered only $800. By the end of the trial, however, the jury was convinced that she was entitled $200,000 compensatory damages for her medical costs, which they reduced by $40,000 because she was partially to blame for having spilled the coffee.

What got the attention, however, was the punitive damages of $2.7 million, equal at the time to 2 days worth of McDonalds's coffee sales. Remember, this decision was made in light of the fact that McDonald's had long known that its coffee, served 20 degrees hotter than the industry standard, had resulted in hundreds of presumably avoidable second and third degree burns. But even after all of that, the judge still reduced the punitive award to $480,000--a sizeable sum, but one awarded to an 81 year old plaintiff only because McDonald's was partially to blame for her suffering third degree burns throughout her groin because McDonalds persisted, despite knowing it had caused hundreds of scaldings, in serving coffee that it knew was extremely dangerous.

So, if you hear people drone on about how John Edwards is on the side of those shark trial lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits like that one against McDonald's because its coffee was too hot, tell them the name Stella Liebeck. Tell them that 81 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns and incurred hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs for the grafts she needed to repair the skin on her groin, inner thighs and butt. Tell them that Stella Liebeck just wanted McDonald's to pay for the damage they had caused, but McDonald's only offered her $800 for $200,000 worth of medical bills. Tell them that prior to Stella Liebeck's scalding McDonald's had already heard about over 700 cases of people being seriously burned by their coffee, but they continued to serve it 20 degrees hotter than any other major restaurant chain. And ask them, if they were Stella Liebeck, or Stella Liebeck was their wife or mother or neighbor, who do they think would be more sympathetic to their modest demand that a major corporation live up to its responsibilities, John Edwards or Dick Cheney?


s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

AUG 02, 2004 01:22 AM

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/13/lawyers/

On a summer evening in 1993, David Lakey took his little girl swimming at a recreation center in Raleigh, N.C. Valerie Lakey was 5 years old, a good swimmer, and she and her friends liked to splash around in the children's wading pool that stayed open a little later than the big pool where they usually swam.

That's what Valerie was doing when a nearby mom heard her call out for help. Valerie was sitting on the bottom of the shallow pool, and the suction from the drain was holding her down. David Lakey raced to free his daughter but couldn't. Other parents jumped in the water to help, but they couldn't get Valerie loose. Valerie was scared, and she began to say that her stomach hurt.

Time passed, and somebody figured out how to turn off the pool's pump. The suction broke, and Valerie was released from its grip. But as David Lakey pulled his daughter from the water, blood and tissue filled the pool. Valerie's intestines had been sucked out.

David Lakey slumped to the ground on the side of the pool. He held his daughter on his chest, praying as they waited for an ambulance. Over and over, he told Valerie, "Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you."

This account of what happened to Valerie Lakey comes from "Four Trials," the book John Edwards wrote last year as he prepared to run for the presidency. Edwards represented Valerie in a lawsuit against the company that made the drain cover in that swimming pool. A jury awarded her $25 million, compensation for a life of intravenous feedings and colostomy bags.



OH MY GOD! THE TRIAL LAWYERS ARE OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA!

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

AUG 02, 2004 02:01 AM

dude. that's just fucking insane.

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

AUG 02, 2004 09:01 AM

Major corporations realize the court system is the only branch of government left that will really hold them accountable for what they do. That's why they want "tort reform" (i.e. make sure that when they fuck up, they don't have to pay for it).

implod

implod

Seattle, WA
January 2004

AUG 02, 2004 09:22 AM

s5 said:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/13/lawyers/

On a summer evening in 1993, David Lakey took his little girl swimming at a recreation center in Raleigh, N.C. Valerie Lakey was 5 years old, a good swimmer, and she and her friends liked to splash around in the children's wading pool that stayed open a little later than the big pool where they usually swam.

That's what Valerie was doing when a nearby mom heard her call out for help. Valerie was sitting on the bottom of the shallow pool, and the suction from the drain was holding her down. David Lakey raced to free his daughter but couldn't. Other parents jumped in the water to help, but they couldn't get Valerie loose. Valerie was scared, and she began to say that her stomach hurt.

Time passed, and somebody figured out how to turn off the pool's pump. The suction broke, and Valerie was released from its grip. But as David Lakey pulled his daughter from the water, blood and tissue filled the pool. Valerie's intestines had been sucked out.

David Lakey slumped to the ground on the side of the pool. He held his daughter on his chest, praying as they waited for an ambulance. Over and over, he told Valerie, "Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you."

This account of what happened to Valerie Lakey comes from "Four Trials," the book John Edwards wrote last year as he prepared to run for the presidency. Edwards represented Valerie in a lawsuit against the company that made the drain cover in that swimming pool. A jury awarded her $25 million, compensation for a life of intravenous feedings and colostomy bags.



OH MY GOD! THE TRIAL LAWYERS ARE OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA!



Chuck Palahniuk wrote a short story in Playboy called "Guts" that had the pool pump and intestine aspects of that story in it. I never thought something like that could really happen. Shows what i know

norritt

norritt

Chandler, AZ
December 2002

AUG 02, 2004 09:31 AM

gah! i heard palahniuk read that story on his book tour puke
didnt no that could actually happen

lowenb

lowenb

Princeton, WV
June 2004

AUG 02, 2004 10:06 AM

i assume the major reason kos would drop stossel's name in their story is to work damage control after stossel's report last week about edwardsthe trial lawyer

MissTyrios

misstyrios

NEWSWIRE

Allston, MA

AUG 02, 2004 10:18 AM

Thank you for posting the true story about the McDonald's case. It drives me fuckin nuts when people reference it without knowing the whole story. As a law student, I'm already reviled by many and hear mentions of this case all the time from people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

St_Expedite

St_Expedite

New Orleans, LA
January 2004

AUG 02, 2004 10:55 AM

s5 said:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/13/lawyers/

On a summer evening in 1993, David Lakey took his little girl swimming at a recreation center in Raleigh, N.C. Valerie Lakey was 5 years old, a good swimmer, and she and her friends liked to splash around in the children's wading pool that stayed open a little later than the big pool where they usually swam.

That's what Valerie was doing when a nearby mom heard her call out for help. Valerie was sitting on the bottom of the shallow pool, and the suction from the drain was holding her down. David Lakey raced to free his daughter but couldn't. Other parents jumped in the water to help, but they couldn't get Valerie loose. Valerie was scared, and she began to say that her stomach hurt.

Time passed, and somebody figured out how to turn off the pool's pump. The suction broke, and Valerie was released from its grip. But as David Lakey pulled his daughter from the water, blood and tissue filled the pool. Valerie's intestines had been sucked out.

David Lakey slumped to the ground on the side of the pool. He held his daughter on his chest, praying as they waited for an ambulance. Over and over, he told Valerie, "Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you."

This account of what happened to Valerie Lakey comes from "Four Trials," the book John Edwards wrote last year as he prepared to run for the presidency. Edwards represented Valerie in a lawsuit against the company that made the drain cover in that swimming pool. A jury awarded her $25 million, compensation for a life of intravenous feedings and colostomy bags.



OH MY GOD! THE TRIAL LAWYERS ARE OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA!



And that's not even the whole story. The company that manufactured the drain cover knew that there was a chance, albeit small, that this could happen and others had been injured by the drain before. They were also aware that a design change that would have cost them about $0.02 per unit would have eliminated any risk of this happening, and the company had thought about including a written warning with the product but ended up not doing that. They didn't want to spend the 2 cents per unit, they took a risk and they got exactly what they deserved.

Cardozo once wrote, "Chance of harm, though remote, may betoken negligence, if needless." The Lakey case is a perfect example of just that.

68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

AUG 02, 2004 11:00 AM

jake_lex said:
Major corporations realize the court system is the only branch of government left that will really hold them accountable for what they do. That's why they want "tort reform" (i.e. make sure that when they fuck up, they don't have to pay for it).


Right on. Capitalism runs on a risk/reward system. The 'reward' is what drives the economy. People innovate and take risks because they want the reward of wealth. Risk is the brakes that keep us from getting out of control. The risk of lawsuits is what keeps companies from doing things to harm people and the community. By capping liabilities you first of all take power away from juries (the only time 12 ordanary citizens get to decide anything) and you remove the risk that prevents XYZ corp from dumping toxins in your water supply.

NimChimpsky

NimChimpsky

Oakland, CA
March 2004

AUG 02, 2004 07:22 PM

lowenb said:
i assume the major reason kos would drop stossel's name in their story is to work damage control after stossel's report last week about edwardsthe trial lawyer



no, it's because Stossel is so bad, so sloppy with the facts, and such a corporate stooge that Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting has a whole page dedicated to him.

[Edited on Aug 02, 2004 by MisterDionysos]

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

AUG 02, 2004 11:24 PM

*bump*